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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Sumidor

Member Since: Sat Feb 25, 2017
Subj: Re: US out of the Iran nuclear deal
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 at 09:32:32 am EDT (Viewed 826 times)
Reply Subj: Re: US out of the Iran nuclear deal
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 at 01:23:15 am EDT (Viewed 766 times)



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    So my first point is...you feel strongly that Trump exiting an executive agreement made between the previous president and a foreign nation makes it clear that US agreements are worthless. If that's so, then why would a perception of trust exist to begin with after Obama exited the executive agreements Bush made with foreign nations? I'm not attacking Obama, I'm attacking your argument. There is no trust to shatter if the same trust-shattering actions have been on display by previous administrations.


Because the Obama administration very clearly explained its rationale and what would replace this missile defense system:

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/opinion/20gates.html

Trump makes up a bunch of lies about the Iran deal and doesn't say how a deal that has passed 10 inspections and would prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons for at least 10 years is worse than breaking the deal such that Iran could potentially get a nuclear weapon in 1 year. This is at the very same time, it's trying to negotiate a nuclear weapons deal with North Korea. The Europe deal is very different in scope, kind, and context.


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    My second point is...to answer your question: if Trump passes an agreement with NK through the senate and ratifies it as a legally binding treaty, then NK can trust that the treaty will not be easily broken by a subsequent administration. I'm not saying that will happen. I'm offering a suggestion to your question. Executive agreements should not be trusted, treaties should be. There is a very big difference, and it's important that the difference is taken into account when discussing these issues.


It's your opinion that executive agreements should not be trusted. They can be trusted insofar as presidents abide by them. The more the U.S. breaks them, the less they can be trusted. The more the U.S. abides by them, the more they can be trusted.




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