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Subj: Re: Trump and the porn star
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 at 09:35:12 pm CDT (Viewed 12 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Trump and the porn star
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 at 08:49:08 am CDT (Viewed 685 times)
Quote:To be fair, I think Sumidor's point was pretty incorrect. He said that he flat out killed her. If you want to argue that it was manslaughter than fine, but the court situation worked out.
The court situation worked out? Really? And that's it, end of story? He left her there in the car to die, and made zero attempt to call for help until after her body was already discovered, and after it was far too late to save her. Play semantics all you want, but you are making my point. Which is, that of accusations of Trump voters lowering some high bar is ridiculous.
Quote:The argument he is making is that he got away with it, so Trump should get away with things.
I'll make my own points, please. I'm asking that you don't speak for me to 3rd parties. Never did I say that Trump should "get away with things". I am arguing the farcical point that there existed this high bar, which has only now been lowered by Trump voters. I am asking that you please not speak for me again.
Quote:Ironically, Trump voters have already looked at it this way. Saying he was more or less exonerated of everything through the election in the first place. Even of things the public was not aware of. They even made an argument of transformation before the Supreme Court when discussing campaign comments vs action as the president and tried to make it seem like they were distinct, even if they were acted on.
Quote:What Kennedy did was pretty bad, but I would not call it murder. Nor would I say he directly killed her. From my limited knowledge of the case. His negligence led to her death, and presumably nearly his own too. In my view he probably should have been punished more harshly than he was but that is not really for here.
Quote:I can make the same case for Trump screwing over numerous people in his business days and breaking contracts when needed and when it suited him (screwing contractors out of pay) and various shady dealings. He did not kill anybody but he has done a fair number of things that are questionable and possibly illegal.
Quote:If one is angry at Kennedy for doing something wrong than legally one would have to feel the same about Trump. Which I doubt Sumidor is.
Then you are wrong. You should be able to make a point without speaking for me, or trying to imagine my thoughts when posting a reply to a 3rd party. MysteryMan made no mention of me in his post, he discussed the topic at hand. You could have replied to him by staying on topic. I am not the topic, and there was no need for you to doubt my internal thoughts or feelings. I've stated many times that there are things which I disagree with Trump on, and certainly that does include some of his business practices.
Quote:For that matter, a better direct comparison would be Bush Jr's wife ran a woman down too. She did not run for office herself but it was rarely discussed. And most regarded her as a good person. And there are other examples of this.
Quote:If we want to argue tribalism than fair enough, but I still find that bothersiderism has major problems. It assumes both sides are always equally bad. However, depending on the period in time it is weighted one way or another. There are several good studies indicating that.
Quote:For that matter, even assuming the Ted Kennedy thing and granting all of it does no exonerate Trump. It is fairly apparent that the whole situation with the porn star were quite shady. There was intimidation and various other factors in play and also numerous lies about payments. If things were illegally done than it will be sorted out by the courts.
Quote:However, this does showcase that a fair number of underhanded and potentially illegal activities were being done. Even some of Trump's current attorney's basically indicated that this was basically hush money to avoid hurting Trump that was repaid to the lawyer by Trump. Which is sketchy or illegal depending on how things were done.
Quote:And whatever Ted Kennedy did in the late 60's has no real bearing on what Trump has done now.
Quote:Or the defense of Trump by those who claim to always be on the moral highground but support immorality when it suits them. It does not really do anything other than muddy the waters with irrelevant points to the discussion at hand.
My post had zero to do with exonerating Trump. I am not attempting to exonerate anyone. The point is, regarding this bar what was claimed to have been lowered by Trump voters, that it was not very high to begin with. Voters have for centuries, and will continue to ignore certain cases of bad behavior when politicians share the voters' political beliefs.
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