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Silver Surfer

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Subj: Re: Democrat border security solutions
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 at 04:59:37 am CST (Viewed 160 times)
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    The thing that scares me is the precedent calling a national emergency can lead to, even if one likes Trump, they should be wary of that.

    He won't be President forever, some will like that, some won't, but after that the precedent will stick.


You obviously haven't been paying attention, then. It already has been set. By Obama.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/311608-obamas-curtain-call-a-look-back-on-a-legacy-of

As a candidate, President Obama expressed misgivings about executive power. After the 2010 mid-term elections, however, it became clear that Congress would not go along with the president’s sweeping regulatory agenda. So he pledged: “Where they won’t act, I will.”

He vowed to pursue “audacious” executive action in his final term. And in his January 2014 State of the Union Address, President Obama promised to “wherever and whenever” possible “take steps without legislation.”





An executive order is not the same thing as declaring a national emergency.  The latter is far more of a a power expansion, and possibly undercuts the meaning.

It is designed differently.

But yes, Obama's uses of executive orders was a bad precedent to set.  AS was is attempt to silence whistle-blowers from talking to the press. You can rad about that here (it is an interesting, if depressing, read):

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html

Wilson's use of internment camps for German Americans in WWII was a dangerous precedent, which led to Japanese (as well as German and Italian in far lesser percentages)internment camps in WWII.

Though Wilson likely got the idea from Canada's Enemy Alien act was actually stricter and more problematic than Wilson's (not easy by any means), but they copied our Japanese camps... so it evened out

Hell, Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus was a dangerous precedent.

I never said Trump was the only one who was capable of setting bad government traditions.  It really is problematic no matter who does it.

And I know we have two other discussions up in the air, but I will have to get back to them later (stuff in my personal life, nothing horrible, just time consuming.  You get it, we've all been there), so I will get to them in the near future.



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