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Subj: Re: Karen Pence under attack from the Left
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 at 06:00:39 am EST (Viewed 218 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Karen Pence under attack from the Left
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 at 05:47:55 pm EST (Viewed 242 times)
Okay, I am really starting to think you are some giant parody.
Quote:There's no permuting going on here. There aren't any rights being stripped, it's a private institution for like minded religious practitioners who have very solid reasoning for their position pertaining to gays. Nothing is being sold, this is not a business, and it's strictly volunteer attendance, lol. Frankly, it's scary that you question their rights on this. You use a vague description (i.e., permuting) without any elaboration, a common tactic among liberals.
I don't say any rights were bring strippied away. You said "a Christian school, which--who would have thought--does not permit LGBTQ in the student body"
Which could be read that you are saying the two are obviously connected. I simply pointed out that they are not automatically one and the same.
I apologize if I misinterpruted you.
Quote:And they're idiots! Haha, how can anyone stay a Christian if their religious text has verses like THIS that they don't believe in? I'll never understand how anyone can be comfortable with the contradiction; there's only one word to describe it: madness!
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (English Standard Version) - "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Well Quakers are highly involved in community outreach. They were the backbone of the abolitionist movement. Believe in equity among all people, and that none are above any others. They stand against poverty.
All of which are the things that Christ preached. While as The book of Corinthians was part of a series of letters written by Paul, about his meditations on Christianity. He never actually claimed they were divinely inspired.
He is notably the most important figure of the New Testament, ho never met Christ. As you may recall, before his conversion Paul (then Saul) persecuted early Christians.
HE was more acquainted with Judaism, than the actual teachings of Christ. And even then it is debatable how much he was really connected.
For an actual Christ saying, about different interpretations of Christ..
Mark 9:38-40 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbade him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.
Christ never actually said anything about homosexuality.
However, if one does accept your bible quote as being on equal footing of Christ's, given that it was Paul (formerly Saul) who wrote it, and accepts that homosexuality is a sin, then how about this..
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Quote:And they're weak-minded idiots who can't handle feeling alone without latching onto a conventional religion. Strong-minded people (like me) see the text, and can live with the decision on being all in or all out.
Regardless, if you're all in, the 1st amendment protects you. Christianity is not just some new, minor religion. It's ancient, the most widely practiced, and its views against homosexuality are rooted since 2,000 years ago.
No it isn't a new religion. It has had 2,000 years of people corrupting the message of it.
A message of tolerance love and charity.
And as such, those 2,000 year old beliefs on homosexuality are based more on ancient politics with the Romans.
Both early Christians and Jews of the era had problems with the Roman Empire... mostly that they loved to persecute them.
This happened mostly by the upper crust (interesting fact, in Hebrew numerology, Nero Ceasar's numerical worth is 666), who were known for living a life of debauchery.
This was most likely done to shame the Roman Empire elites, and push a divide.
OF course, that theory.
Homosexuality actually also is banned in books of the Torah. However, most rabbis agree it was done as a measure to increase birthrate. as ancient Jews often found themselves in the minority.
Many Rabbis also see the Torah as a living document, inspired by God. And should be interrupted and debated.
While that is disputed, few synagogues meditate on it. And Judaism is older.
It is also important to remember that the bible was not written in Latin or English. Translation can become an issue.
Not to mention the fact that it was kept from the common man for most of its history. And was original copied by hand, by monks.
But the reality is, despite the attempts to distance themselves from Rome, things happened. Eventually the Roman Empire was converted. With that came Greek and Roman philosophy. Which states that things are absolutes.
Jewish teaching are often more about debate and nuance. Tradition matters a great deal, but also why one does the tradition. There is a reason why most synagogues look at the creation story as parable.
At the fact is, Christianity came from Judaism. And should be more aligned with those traditions of worship ad teaching, and not Greek and Roman.
And once again, Christ said nothing about homosexuality.
However, since here you seemingly profess to be a Christian (otherwise that "like me" insert was an odd non sequitur)...
you judged several branches of Christianity, as well as CNN...
“Judge not, that you be not judged.
How much stuff do you have, because Christ actually said...
Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
If you... and a lot of members of the GOP... can pick and choose what to follow, why can't others choose not to follow the parts Christ didn't say, and seem to contradict his message of love?
Quote:That's arguable between the religious and non-religious.
No it isn't.
Quote:So what? He hasn't broken any laws and is fully protected by the 1st amendment. In other words, he's perfectly law-abiding according to the United States Constitution, so his religious views are irrelevant.
Just out of curiosity, did you take a civics class in High School?
The first amendment only states that the government can not enforce religius beliefs.
Itr does not mean a religion is free from scrutiny. It doesn't mean that people can't dislike someone for their religious beliefs.... or want them out of office for that.
Criticizing someone;'s belief's is absolutely fair game. It may not be fair. It is fair game.
And it is ESPECIALLY fair game to let the American people know about their decision makers.
Quote:It's a Bible thing.
That doesn't mean I can't find it weird, slick.
Quote:They are. They're saying that Pence's church has no right to discriminate against LGBTQ, and they define the "discrimination" as the church not allowing LGBTQ to be faculty members or part of the student body.
And unless they are passing a law, nothing is being infringed. You have the right to any opinion you want. It doesn't make it law.
The only thing the 1st amendment protects you from.
I can say Catholics have no right have a confessional. That doesn't mean much.
Quote:True, along with the rest of CNN's site which is one giant opinion section. #fakenews
No, it is an opinion piece, because it is said in large letters "opinion" at the top.
I know, that is a level of deduction beyond most people. I'm gifted, I know. Not everyone can look in a corner.
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