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Subj: Re: Karen Pence under attack from the Left
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 at 01:39:47 pm EST (Viewed 492 times)
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 at 06:00:39 am EST (Viewed 449 times)
Quote:I don't say any rights were bring strippied away. You said "a Christian school, which--who would have thought--does not permit LGBTQ in the student body"
Which could be read that you are saying the two are obviously connected. I simply pointed out that they are not automatically one and the same.
You're trying to be clever by appearing baffled that a Christian school wouldn't permit gays to teach at their schools because a minority of Christians are okay that the two situations can exist. Yet if you don't deny that the vast majority of Christians believe the situations are incompatible, it's hardly believable to argue that it doesn't appear automatic for most.
Quote:All of which are the things that Christ preached. While as The book of Corinthians was part of a series of letters written by Paul, about his meditations on Christianity. He never actually claimed they were divinely inspired.
Yes he did, he would actually spell out the instances when he wasn't divinely inspired. For your point to stand, you would have to show where he made such a disclaimer regarding homosexuality. If you can do that, I will gladly change my mind.
1 Cor. 7:12, "But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, let him not send her away."
1 Cor. 7:25, "Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy."
2 Cor. 11:17, "That which I am speaking, I am not speaking as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting."
Quote:He is notably the most important figure of the New Testament, ho never met Christ. As you may recall, before his conversion Paul (then Saul) persecuted early Christians.
He never met Christ in the flesh, but as I'm sure you're aware, he claimed he heard the physical voice of Christ while on the way to Damascus, leading to his conversion. So clearly, he was, if you believe the Bible, in direct connection with Christ.
Quote:HE was more acquainted with Judaism, than the actual teachings of Christ. And even then it is debatable how much he was really connected.
You're just making things up. Again, if you believe the Bible, Paul had a very good understanding and connection with Christ and was the man who brought the teachings to the gentiles (non-Jews). Further, your argument only adds confusion by suggesting that large parts of the Bible (the 13 books ascribed to Paul) were written by a man who had no business being part of the Biblical anthology. And if you're willing to go there, then other parts of the Bible are fair game, too, even the Gospels because some argue that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John didn't actually write them.
Quote:For an actual Christ saying, about different interpretations of Christ..
Mark 9:38-40 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbade him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.
That's a very, very vague verse that doesn't prove the required precision to answer the topic of homosexuality. And to prove it, here are some people that would meet your criterion of just having a different interpretation of Christ.
Quote:Christ never actually said anything about homosexuality.
Quote:However, if one does accept your bible quote as being on equal footing of Christ's, given that it was Paul (formerly Saul) who wrote it, and accepts that homosexuality is a sin, then how about this..
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Again, you're just throwing out vague, vague verses that can't possibly address the precision required on the question of a particular behavior's morality.
Quote:No it isn't a new religion. It has had 2,000 years of people corrupting the message of it.
A message of tolerance love and charity.
Balanced with discipline and justice, among others. Look, I'd appreciate if you can collect your thoughts and get to your points in a more succinct manner.
Quote:And as such, those 2,000 year old beliefs on homosexuality are based more on ancient politics with the Romans.
Both early Christians and Jews of the era had problems with the Roman Empire... mostly that they loved to persecute them.
This happened mostly by the upper crust (interesting fact, in Hebrew numerology, Nero Ceasar's numerical worth is 666), who were known for living a life of debauchery.
This was most likely done to shame the Roman Empire elites, and push a divide.
OF course, that theory.
Homosexuality actually also is banned in books of the Torah. However, most rabbis agree it was done as a measure to increase birthrate. as ancient Jews often found themselves in the minority.
Many Rabbis also see the Torah as a living document, inspired by God. And should be interrupted and debated.
Well there you go. Most Christians don't believe the Bible is a living document.
While that is disputed, few synagogues meditate on it. And Judaism is older.
It is also important to remember that the bible was not written in Latin or English. Translation can become an issue.
Not to mention the fact that it was kept from the common man for most of its history. And was original copied by hand, by monks.
But the reality is, despite the attempts to distance themselves from Rome, things happened. Eventually the Roman Empire was converted. With that came Greek and Roman philosophy. Which states that things are absolutes.
Jewish teaching are often more about debate and nuance. Tradition matters a great deal, but also why one does the tradition. There is a reason why most synagogues look at the creation story as parable.
At the fact is, Christianity came from Judaism. And should be more aligned with those traditions of worship ad teaching, and not Greek and Roman.
And once again, Christ said nothing about homosexuality.
However, since here you seemingly profess to be a Christian (otherwise that "like me" insert was an odd non sequitur)...
you judged several branches of Christianity, as well as CNN...
“Judge not, that you be not judged.
How much stuff do you have, because Christ actually said...
Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
If you... and a lot of members of the GOP... can pick and choose what to follow, why can't others choose not to follow the parts Christ didn't say, and seem to contradict his message of love?
Just out of curiosity, did you take a civics class in High School?
The first amendment only states that the government can not enforce religius beliefs.
Itr does not mean a religion is free from scrutiny. It doesn't mean that people can't dislike someone for their religious beliefs.... or want them out of office for that.
Criticizing someone;'s belief's is absolutely fair game. It may not be fair. It is fair game.
And it is ESPECIALLY fair game to let the American people know about their decision makers.
And unless they are passing a law, nothing is being infringed. You have the right to any opinion you want. It doesn't make it law.
The only thing the 1st amendment protects you from.
I can say Catholics have no right have a confessional. That doesn't mean much.
Eh, shut up.