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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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HammerTime

Member Since: Sun Jan 07, 2018
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Subj: Re: A fair bit of what you have said is nonsense...
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 at 09:56:18 am CST (Viewed 172 times)
Reply Subj: Re: A fair bit of what you have said is nonsense...
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 at 08:35:54 am CST (Viewed 163 times)



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    My point was not whether the job searches were real but rather how meaningful that fact was. I gave a rebuttal and you lost track of the reality of what I was arguing.


You replied that you do job searches regularly all the time and that somehow dismisses how others have increased their job searching, which is ridiculous conclusion from your own behavior.


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      It says that your self-professed lack of talent includes deluding yourself about who's winning our debates.



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    That hardly matters when our relationship is sort of like this:



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    Two backpackers are face to face with a bear, the first (you) says that neither of us can outrun it, so I just reply, "I don't have to be faster than the bear, just you."


Except that the bear that is reality is already mauling your arguments and I'm standing 1,000 yards away watching, amused, through binoculars.


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      Uh, no. The full federal budget is not entirely comprised of people's salaries. Far from it.



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    Beating up on a strawman since you can't beat me? Once again, you lost track of what we were arguing. Previously, you seemed to understand that my calculation was the relationship between federal salaries and the entire federal budget. I never argued against what you now think I did.


I pointed out that your math was wrong. It is.


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      You're totally missing the point. Comparing the money lost to the total federal budget is meaningless because that's just some arbitrary number you picked to minimize what's at stake. Sure, if the entire $4 trillion federal budget was removed from the economy, that would be beyond catastrophic, but removing any significant percentage of that $4 trillion can also be catastrophic.



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    And I proved it wasn't a significant percentage, so your own argument defeats you for me. Why do you keep hitting yourself?


Let's use your own (incorrect) math. 1.3% a day. It's been 19 business days. That's 25%! That's a significant percentage.


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    Math skills involve the ability to perform calculations, not interpret calculations someone else did for you. I hate bursting your bubble since your life just got more difficult.


Without math skills, you can't properly contextualize or understand the calculations, which underscores the very act of interpretation.


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      Yes, "some." But what you're missing is that timing matters. People who are putting everything on their credit cards now have to pay significant interest on that money. And beyond unpaid salaries, the furloughs lead to millions of man-hours of lost productivity. Air travel is now less safe, food is now less safe, federal courts are about to run out of money, national parks are being damaged due to lack of maintenance, federal research with a time element are being ruined, and small businesses are failing to get government loans.
    But you were the one arguing that GDP was being catastrophically damaged, remember? I keep reminding you of what we were arguing.


You're reminding me of something I wasn't arguing. Nowhere did I state GDP would be "catastrophically damaged." What I stated is that Trump can end up with a recession of his own making if he keeps the government shut down. In any case, your "genius" Trump is getting most of the blame for the shutdown, which he after all took ownership for, and now his approval numbers are dropping even among Republicans. From conservative Bret Stehpens' column from today:

"the president’s support from his base is also beginning to tumble, according to the same poll. It’s down since last month by a net of 10 points among Republicans, a net of 13 points among white evangelicals, and a net of 18 points among suburban men. Even white men without college degrees — the very core of his base — are turning on him, with 50 percent approving of his performance and 35 percent disapproving, down from 56 to 34."





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