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Kev Agent of The Shadow

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Subj: Re: NYT advocates open borders
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 at 09:16:45 am EST (Viewed 218 times)
Reply Subj: Re: NYT advocates open borders
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 at 11:55:44 am EST (Viewed 203 times)

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    It's like common sense has gone out the window. Honestly I think both sides are gaining power from the abuse of immigrants this leads too.

    The Dems get all these potential votes and turn things more to a welfare socialist state.

    The Repubs get all these free cheap workers and can turn things more to a oligarchy for the rich.

Yes for years and years the two parties were both schizophrenic on the immigration issue.

The Republicans had traditional conservatives who were xenophobic and didn't want any "foreigners" to be allowed in. While the big money folks wanted cheap unskilled labor to be admitted so they could pay lower wages.

I think this still holds true to some extent. Big corporation are the biggest proponents of H1B visas to let non-citizens in to do work that American reportedly can't do - I hear more Hindu & Chinese than English sometimes when I go to lunch in Folsom CA near the Intel plant.

The Democrats were similarly schizo in that they had a more welcoming "let them in" attitude, but similarly had an anti-immigrant wing which was largely backed by the labor unions who did not want cheap labor coming in and taking union jobs (or at a minimum driving down wages).

I don't believe this still holds true, the anti-immigrant union wing of the Democrats appears to have collapsed. I'm hearing more and more calls for abolishing ICE - which I interpret for all practical purposes as "open borders".

Like you I'm cynical of a democratic politician who wants to abolish ICE, provide amnesty for those illegally here, or fight enforcement of the immigration laws. I see it as an attempt by politicians to remind folks at the next election "remember who fought to get you in, and vote for me". The rank and file democrat I'm not cynical of, if they have a soft stance on immigration (they made up their minds to follow their hearts and that's fine) but the politicians are just playing to an audience.

I think that sums it up...even a step deeper where you show how even internally both sides are mixed on this.

And who suffers? The immigrants who want to truly become a part of this country the lawful way and join the melting pot. And the citizens who lose such industrious people joining us.

Who wins, corrupt politicians on both sides and the illegal aliens that manage to slip through and sneak in, and the coyotes who make bank off suffering.

It's why I think this will never be resolved. Too much self-interest in the political parties and their constituents just following along.

Immigration is GREAT...LEGAL immigration.
Illegal immigrations is bad for all.

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