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Subj: I am not sure that is the right reading of that text...
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 at 03:49:36 pm CST (Viewed 121 times)
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    Interestingly, the bible makes no reference to Lesbianism.  Rabbis later included that.  So, going back to Karen Pence's school, there is a potential lop hole... if it is really about the bible (it isn't).


Since this is the main point of your post I will address it.  Actually the Bible does reference Lesbianism:

It's found in Romans 1:26-27a:

"For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also men abandoned the natural function of the women and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."   

It would make little sense for God to call the behavior immorally wrong for men but not women now would it?

Regardless it's addressed and Oh BTW this scripture is in the New Testament.  

And yes Jesus does state his stance on the subject very clearly.   



 


it does reference lesbians. So, good on that. However, pulling the whole thing out of its larger framework is a disservice.

1:21 For although they knew God, they
did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile
in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 1:23
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling a
mortal human being and birds and four-footed animals and reptiles.
1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselves. 1:25
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the
creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
1:26 For this reason God gave them
over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural
sexual relations for unnatural ones, 1:27 and likewise
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed in
their passions for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men
and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 1:29
They are filled with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness,
covetousness, malice. They are rife with envy, murder, strife, deceit,
hostility. They are gossips, 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, 1:31 senseless, covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. 1:32
Although they fully know God’s righteous decree that those who practice
such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve of
those who practice them.

Homosexuality is listed, but not as a reason that they are given over to sin. Idolatry is. God's punishment to them seems to be to allow to them to go nuts and indulge in all of whatever they want to do. It does for sure start in homosexuality but given that this is God's punishment (hardly a blessing of the act) they are being hit with that as being unnatural to things. Then there is a laundry list of other sins being committed by these people for turning away from God.
The reason for the focus on homosexuality in particular probably has a fair bit to do with Paul and those of the faith looking down on the homosexuality celebrated in Greco-Roman culture, or at least the upper tiers of it.

Even with all of that as it may, those with the greatest sin's in the New Testament are the first to be forgiven when they ask for it. Despite what they have done. Most of the lessons are about finding faith in God as a cure for any and all sin.
When taken together with all of Jesus teachings it seems pretty clear that he is not in favor of turning anybody away because of their activity. He goes out of his way towards people that are judgemental (he washes a prostitutes feet despite her actions being an afront to God).
It thus seems a bit strange to me that a Christian can, in good conscious, seek to judge a homosexual person one way or another. If they do that than they are violating his own teachings.
Hell, based on the ideas of idolatry, one could say that most people in today's world worship at the alter of technology and greed than anything else.





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