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MysteryMan

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Subj: Re: Didnt look like that to me at all...edited
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 at 08:46:50 am EST (Viewed 126 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Didnt look like that to me at all...edited
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 at 05:16:49 pm EST (Viewed 125 times)

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Would you be so kind as to point me where NATO indicated that they were supportive of this? I only saw a Washington Times article, but after skimming they did not quote one. They knew it was coming, or likely but do not seem pleased with it.

The article I posted had them indicate that it was better to have it than not. And the fact that the US would want to make more nukes or missiles does little to help Europe if Russia wants to do things.

Obama is not absolved at all, but Trump is president. In case you forgot. He is supposed to be known as a great deal maker. He did not win with his own Congress and he is not doing well here. Just saying what it is. Fair or not. It is what he is billed as.

And Trump could do something that I would support. Say that Russia broke things and rally with NATO members and do something to punish them. Not just take the ball and go home.

On a quick search...(and I did not say NATO was happy, just they understood)

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/russia-and-us-ditch-inf-treaty.html

"It is now up to Russia to preserve the INF Treaty," wrote NATO foreign ministers in a joint statement." - Not the US...RUSSIA

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/trump-administration-gives-russia-60-days-to-comply-with-inf-treaty-or-the-us-will-move-to-withdraw/2018/12/04/64c5bec2-f74a-11e8-8642-c9718a256cbd_story.html

European leaders have sought to preserve the arms control framework, even as NATO foreign ministers declared Tuesday that they believed Russia was in violation.

“I regret that we now most likely will see the end of the INF Treaty,” said NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who has spoken of how the Cold War arms buildup shaped his views of security as he grew up in Norway. “We really felt that the world was moving forward when the Soviet Union and the United States in 1987 agreed.”

....they blame Russia rightfully so for breaking the treaty and the fact that it wont last now

By the way...
“Merkel had a very good meeting with Trump and managed to convince the president to give more time before a pull out,” said one European diplomat who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss diplomatic conversations."

So its not like he wasn't asked to delay a little and ignore it. He seems to be working with NATO its just Russia isn't complying.

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The problem I see from the left is using all these soundbites that in the end mean diddly squat (sure the right do it too...but we are talking left here...feel free to bring the rights up in another post if you like)

Harping on "he is the great deal maker"...so what? maybe he is and it just wont work here

The left has to make up their damn mind...Is Trump a stooge of Putin or not? Is eh the Manchurian candidate or not? Is he too soft on Russia or not? Is Russia an enemy or not? Stop the flip flopping on this please. If Trump places sanctions on Russia directly or indirectly he gets called terrible...if he does something that might benefit Russia hes called terrible...it does not go both ways.


NATO has outright said they know Russia broke the treaty and have ZERO plans to abide by it ever. I don't know about you...but I don't want another Chamberlain like response....but if you noticed...Merkel asked for a little more time...Trump agreed. But there has to be a limit.


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