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MysteryMan

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atrimus

Location: Saint Louis, MO
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Subj: Re: Democrats concerned if Schultz runs as independent that Trump wins again
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 12:42:17 pm EST (Viewed 100 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Democrats concerned if Schultz runs as independent that Trump wins again
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 at 11:41:31 am EST (Viewed 109 times)



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                  https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article225155790.html

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                    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/howard-schultz-independent-trump_us_5c4dc3cee4b06ba6d3bdf921

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                      Looks like we have another Ralph Nader type (former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz) who may be running as an independent, haha. Julian Castro, democratic hopeful, seems kind of depressed with early pleads for him to not enter the race, as it would likely siphon votes away from the democrats.

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                  Schultz will announce plans on 60 Minutes tonight. Come on down, Harold! The water is warm.

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                  Assume the Dems are just testing the water for now.
                  They don't seem to really have a strong candidate yet.
                  I am curious though...why focus on them being women or gay?
                  I'd focus more on what their record shows them to be...as far as agenda etc.

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              I'm guessing they think women might want someone who better represents their (womens) interest. It's really no different than for any other demographic or class of people.

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            True...but then the Democrats just increase the strength of the argument that all they are is identity politics. That it doesn't matter about qualifications...just that you check the appropriate politically correct check box.

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          But identity politics isn't exclusive to the left. "War on Christianity." "War on white America." "War on men." These were all talking tactics employed by the right, to stoke parricular sentiments, in particular demographics, and encourage those demographics to vote a particular way. It's simply a less obvious form of identity politics that allows them to field hardcore, white Christian conservative politicians, while escaping the criticism of playing identity politics.

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        But that's not a platform the right is espousing at their rallies. Listen to for example Hillary Clinton...all she talked about ...and each in turn is how she was going to help this special interest group and that minority and women this and women that...how was she shocked when she got very little of the vote from those she left out of her identity politics speeches?



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    The people who didn't vote for her couldn't care less about identity politics. They were upset because they felt their identity wasn't being spoken to. It's precisely why minorities, gays, Muslims, etc. tend to vote Democrat, because they don't think Republicans heed them ... because the Republican platform upholds conservative values which tend to exclude certain groups.



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    I don't know why Clinton campaigned the way she did, but it's no coincidence that the groups she targeted have historically been marginalized. Gays, for instance. They literally have fewer rights than others, so why not speak to them specifically? It'd be silly to say "I'm gonna fight for the right of marriage for ALL Americans" when it's only gays who don't have that right. Straight people offended by this are simply being self centered.


It's not just this...it's that she systematically talked about EVERY group but one. And talked about being united. That's implicitly stating everyone but the particular group.


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      For sake of argument lets say the right is also doing this (I don't see it nearly as much but lets just say it for now) they are sure playing the game better. They say "Americans" not "Fill in the blank interest group - American". How the Left plays their identity politics is not uniting, its dividing.



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    Here's the thing, it's kinda oxymoronic to have an "R" (and to a lesser extent, a "D") by your name, but then say you're for all Americans. Republicans and Democrats are tailor made to consider certain groups. How can Republicans be for all Americans yet pander to religious conservatives, who are indifferent to most non-Christians, and openly antagonistic to Muslims and the LGBTQ community? I imagine American-Muslims didn't think Conservative Trump was for them when he was talking about bans, nor Hispanics when he was disparaging Mexican immigrants. It's no accident that straight white males supported him overwhelmingly, because his message was tacitly aimed at them.


Didn't I just say earlier if the democrats don't even pretend to care about white or men or middle class they shouldn't expect their vote?

Most people are moderate....we just don't have any (many) moderate politicians.


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          I want to know what their qualifications are...not who they find sexually attractive. And if they are skilled and qualified...THEN they make great candidates. (They may be...but once again the news does a disservice by not talking about that aspect).

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          Not saying I don't agree, but still, it isn't exclusive to the left. I mean we're two years into the term of a Republican President who, from the very start, demonstrated zero qualifications to be President.

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        I wouldn't say he is ALL bad...but I sure don't want him around for another 4 years...but the Dems throwing someone forward based on surface traits isn't going to dethrone him.



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