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FreeKyle

Member Since: Thu Nov 11, 2021
Subj: Re: CNN: Angry White Men
Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 at 04:45:17 pm EST (Viewed 381 times)
Reply Subj: Re: CNN: Angry White Men
Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 at 03:36:21 pm EST (Viewed 365 times)



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      Not even sure that facts really helped the case you are pointing to as much as a friendly judge, questionable jury selection and throwing out laws that got in the way while over supporting the defenses case.



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    All of these things - I gave you an opportunity to clarify your points and you couldn’t/wouldn’t. You said it was too much effort.


I said I did not want to put in the effort because I already knew you were not going to be receptive to them in even a minor way.

Also keep in mind it was in response to a very brief original post, so it is not like I was responding to a play by play that you provided either.


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      Not to mention that the prosecutors were also idiots of incredible scale.



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    As awful as they were, there wasn’t a single argument they could have used to find Kyle guilty. As I explained, you cannot attack a person simply because wearing a gun is irritating to you. Kyle showed amazing restraint, RAN from the confrontation, even gave off a warning that he would fire if Rosenbaum continued his chase - and Rosenbaum still chased. It can’t be any clearer, and if you can’t accept it then you can’t accept the law.


I am not going to argue the legal points. I am not a lawyer and do not care to do so. I will highlight my concerns from a more societal point of view. As legally the jury found it compelling enough that he was acting in self defense.

1. Why did a 17 year old take it upon himself to go to a protest with a weapon? He had to be driven several hours to get there. I am sure he felt passionate but was he hired to do it? What was his experience? Is it ok for people to show up with no direct interest and act as a police force?

2. Having a gun in the first place is going to be a contentious issue but one could rightfully take it as a threat in and of itself.

3. Was he treated differently than say a black or latino man of the same age would be if he performed the same acts? Killing two white men and then being allowed to go free by police multiple times before being taken in. I tend to be leary that they would have.

4. Where is the line for vigilante justice? It seems disturbing that people should be out doing that sort of thing. One could make a case that he put himself into a dangerous environment and decided to carry a rifle in the process that could make a situation worse. None of this would have happened if he did not decide to protect property or provide first aid.

5. Also keep in mind the protesting is a right too, the assumption of a 17 year old that there was going to be trouble and he could stop it is a bit troubling to me.

To me the legal questions pale next to the larger questions raised and the court would never have been able to rule on entirely, but it is mostly a trend where it seems that self defense is being stretched to the breaking point more and more.


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      The later points do not matter much because it is over but I do not see why we have to false equivalency things so much.



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    Hard to prove your point if you make zero effort.


I sort of laid out my concerns, but I imagine I will quickly find why initially I did not want to waste the effort.


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      There are a number of conservative groups that are saying they want to pile liberal corpses like wood and other things. So it is not like there is nothing there. And it is a concern.



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    Prove it.


I will need to track down the article that specifically had that tweet but in the meanwhile there were multiple reports with concerns about the same thing.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/19/1057478725/far-right-groups-rittenhouse-acquittal-celebration-violence






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