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Subj: Re: Rittenhouse Verdict Prediction and Ensuing Reaction
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 at 06:16:22 pm EST (Viewed 286 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Rittenhouse Verdict Prediction and Ensuing Reaction
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 at 09:51:53 am EST (Viewed 312 times)

    Nope, and here is where you don’t understand the distinction between the Wisonsin law and the 6th Amendment. There is a huge shift in the burden of proof between these two statements:

    The prosecution has to prove that the defendant killed these people beyond a reasonable doubt UNLESS the defense can prove it was done in self-defense.

    The prosecution has to prove that the defendant killed these people AND must prove it was NOT done in self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.

No matter the word games: at the end of the day, the prosecution must prove that an unjustifiable killing happened. You couldn't explain why Kyle's actions weren't true self-defense.

    It goes to motive, a motive, “Kyle was there to wipe off the graffiti,” that you hypothesized. Why would he lie about being an EMT and not just say, “I’m here to wipe off graffiti.” LOL.

Except that he did go around and render aid to people, shouting: "Friendly, friendly!" I don't know why he lied but there's zero connection to the motive garbage you're pedaling.

    I don't think either side is innocent, but the point here is it's simply hypocritical to believe violence is overwhelmingly on the left. As for right-wing riots, really? Charlottesville, VA, where a right-winger drove a car into counter-protesters and killed one of them comes to mind right off the top of my head. If you Google “right-wing riots”, this is the first item to come up:


    “Reuters tallied more than 2,100 right-wing demonstrations in 2020 by searching for protests against COVID-19 restrictions, perceived election fraud, the Black Lives Matter movement and President Joe Biden, as well as rallies for Second Amendment rights, in support of the police and former President Donald Trump.
    We included events where far-right groups both were and weren’t present – of those, only about 100 were classified by ACLED as riots. Authorities arrested individuals belonging to at least a dozen right-wing groups for alleged involvement in the Capitol riot. Members of those groups were present at roughly half of events classified as riots in 2020.”

That says nothing if you read it carefully. It only says that far-right groups were *present* in ~50 riots in 2020. It doesn't identify who did the rioting (left or right). Also, any participation by the right would be in counter to the left. You wouldn't find cases where the right destroys buildings, sets private businesses on fire, tears statues down, etc. So any 'riot' from the right should more appropriately be called a 'counter-riot'.

    So according to Reuters and the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project, there were roughly 50 right-wing riots in 2020 alone.

No, it's not saying that.

    You obviously have not looked into this whatsoever. And limiting your evaluation to protest and riots is self-servingly self-selective. Right-wing terrorism has been far more prevalent than left-wing terrorism in the past 30 years: Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people including 19 children in the Oklahoma City bombing, Eric Rudolph bombed the Atlanta Olympics and injured over 100 people, Jim Adkisson killed 2 people and injured 6 in the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting with the aim of killing Democrats and liberals, Robert Bowers killed 11 in a Pittsburgh synagogue, anti-immigrant Patrick Crusius just killed 22 in El Paso, and Cesar Sayoc sent explosive devices to Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Eric Holder, John Brennan, James Clapper, George Soros, Tom Steyer, and Robert De Niro.

There are indeed some right-wing terrorists, but they are libertarian. They are bat shit about property rights and government control. I once knew a guy who, if he could bottle all the (assumedly infinite) air on his property, would view it his right to sell whatever price he wanted if the rest of the world ran out of oxygen; and let people die if he so chose.

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