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Subj: Interesting points.
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 11:23:16 pm EST (Viewed 183 times)
Reply Subj: Re: So then you don't really have any problem with people voting for Trump, right?
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 10:04:54 pm EST (Viewed 191 times)
For me, I generally don't see an issue with people aligning what they spend money on and their values. Happens all the time. People also pull money from things they don't believe in. Been happening for a long time.
LGDB: Yeah I think this just depends on the context. I think it's seriously deleterious with respect to the public sector, especially with respect to elections. I think a very specific thing I would partisian is the difference between how individual actors choose to express themselves and their own money versus how a business does. And I've said before, there's also the larger political effect, the politic ethos, the material causes to consider with respect to an issue like this, not just whether or not they have the legal right to do so. We can think of any number of things that free associations of people can legally do that might run the gamut from politically absurd to completely suicidal. People can right now legally decide to do nothing about climate change and allow the Earth to melt in slow motion (figuratively speaking). That doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to oppose that.
It's important to recognize the mechanisms by which it's done. Government censorship is different to me than the free market trying to cancel someone.
LGDB: I agree. I'm just suggesting that government censorship isn't the only one to be concerned with, and it's not the only kind that's dangerous either.
I think the internet gives the ability for regular folks to form powerful groups that can bring about change. This allows cancel culture to exist. But it's not just liberals cancelling conservatives. Both sides do it. Example: Colin Kaepernick. Another example: fellow conservatives who are anti-(anything related to) Trump. On either side, cancel culture can go too far.
LGDB: Oh I definitely agree with this, or at least your point about this being a "bipartisan" problem. No question, conservatives are every bit as invested in the culture war, and plenty of them have no qualms about cancelation. I still remember after the Iraq War kicked off when conservative were on the cancelation warpath (among other kinds of warpaths) and that was comfortably prior to the internet.
Which is why it's important to assess whether canceling someone is just or if it went too far. In other words, whether you are on the right side of history.
LGDB: Definitely agree with the former thing. But what makes you think history is a better vantage point to judge things politically? I don't trust it. Especially not with how bad both sides of the American established feels about learning history.
---the late great Donald Blake
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