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Late Great Donald Blake 

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Subj: Re: oh so you don't think pantheism and atheism are the same thing?
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 at 09:56:50 pm EST (Viewed 191 times)
Reply Subj: Re: oh so you don't think pantheism and atheism are the same thing?
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 at 09:22:31 pm EST (Viewed 210 times)

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I think that pantheism is basically a form of atheism for the reasons I explained. It’s devoid of believing in a sentient, living being.

LGDB: Yes, but atheism doesn't mean lack of a belief in a god who is a sentient living being. It means the lack of a belief in a god whatsoever. People disagree with your concept of a god doesn't by dint of that fact mean they don't believe in god whatsoever. It would be like me saying I think God is a big fan of REO Speedwagon and if your god doesn't like REO Speedwagon then you're an atheist.

But, you missed the point entirely. I told Ancient One that I never met an ethical atheist. Surely, even under your position - that atheism is different from pantheism - you’d agree that both beliefs dismiss a personal, living God that has authority and requires ethical behaviors.

LGDB: Sure (for sake of argument) but the problem for your argument is that there are other reasons for acting in a an ethical manner other than a belief in God or gods. And surely you can think of examples of ethical people whose actions weren't motivated by a belief in god. Unless of course you mean the only way to be an ethical person IS to believe in God, which could be valid (though not in my opinion) but with respect to your argument would be begging the question.

---the late great Donald Blake

What’s the difference, other than scale, if I believe a rock in my front yard is “God” than the entire universe? Pretend that for some reason, I believe that this rock is “God” but don’t believe it has any powers or is anything special from any other rock. I can’t explain why I think it’s “God”, what godhood characteristics it has, but I’m willing to ream somebody who says I don’t believe in “God”. So, would I really believe in “God”; or, more likely, misunderstand what “God” means?

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