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Ancient One 

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Subj: Re: LGBD, please clarify this dispute
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 at 10:21:15 am EST (Viewed 165 times)
Reply Subj: Re: LGBD, please clarify this dispute
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 at 08:09:40 am EST (Viewed 157 times)

    Yes. They both wrote books stating their position but never heard YOUR evidence (i.e. the dictionary) before.

It's not *my* evidence. it's *the* evidence.

    Unless they believe that the universe is conscious (“I think, therefore I am”), then they are atheists. It’s that simple. And you’ve been duped and I’m laughing that you fell for their shoddy arguments. If, for example, our cells were conscious but we humans had no brain, would you accept the cells’ arguments that their collective consciousness makes the vegetative human body “Person”?

    That’s the difference between you and me. I spot ridiculous claims and I debunk their foolishness. I don’t fall for smoke and mirrors, I blow and smash them away.

No. You've ignored and avoided direct evidence when I've placed it before you. You've sidestepped direct questions. And then you claim victory.

And now you're trying to win by narrowing your definition of 'god'.

Your argument was that pantheists hold an entirely naturalistic position. Many of them don't. As soon as you bring a god of any kind in to your belief sysyem(Whether it's an intercessionary being or a passive one doesn't matter). whether you think that god is an abstract external force, or a rock, an idol, a man or a universe, you've introduced a supernatural element.

Here's just one of those pantheist quotes again:

"...the panentheist also affirms the divine Presence within every speck and particle of Creation as the very substance and Soul of it’s existence".

Address it. Debunk it. Tell me again they don't believe in god.

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