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The Avenger

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Late Great Donald Blake 
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Subj: Re: The working class is Republican? Lol
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 at 11:15:51 am EDT (Viewed 189 times)
Reply Subj: The working class is Republican? Lol
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 at 01:47:12 am EDT (Viewed 197 times)



    Quote:
    I assume by working class then you mean the WHITE working class, am I right?



Yes. I should have said white working class. Sorry.

Here's an article:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/04/politics/republicans-white-working-class-education/index.html



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    Anyway... where is this information coming from? For that matter the idea that Trump was elected by the working class seems pretty suspect as a generalization. A good third of people eligible in, say, the last election didn't vote. Would you like to take a swing at what class the majority of those folks belong to?



Obviously, if I say the white working class elected Trump, I'm talking about the white working class who voted. The ones who didn't vote made a choice not to be counted.



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    Where'd you get all these half baked, unevidence ideas about what the working class would do anyway? Are you thinking of a set of studies or is this more your general impressions and shooting from the hip about human nature?



Another article:
https://theconversation.com/who-exactly-is-trumps-base-why-white-working-class-voters-could-be-key-to-the-us-election-147267

Another:
https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class?referral=00134

Another:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/upshot/why-trump-won-working-class-whites.html



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    Finally (for now) you seem pretty cynical about the concept of democracy generally. When we talk about the working class, of a necessity were talking about the majority of people in the country. If they shouldn't have power, then who should? Philosopher kings? If what you'd prefer is an elite minority, well credentialed and high born to run things, rest assured that's what we have now and have for quite some time. And it led to Trump regardless.



Constitutional democracy is a balancing act between rule by the majority and protection of the minority. It is true that the majority should rule, but it is equally true that the minority must be protected. The first of these priorities is fulfilled through democratic voting; the second, by Constitutional rights.



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    Also, I should say I'm interested in in the underlying political theory in principle. I don't think the idea of preserving, amending, or massaging the Constitution is a particularly relevant or significant political question. We'd probably have better results if we burned it and started over from scratch.



That is precisely what we mustn't do. If we start from scratch, there's no telling what we could end up with. It could be far worse than what we have. Start from scratch and we could end up with no Constitutional rights at all.




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