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The Avenger

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Late Great Donald Blake 

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Subj: Re: These articles are trash... but let's get serious.
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 at 04:42:10 pm EDT (Viewed 210 times)
Reply Subj: These articles are trash... but let's get serious.
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 at 11:53:42 am EDT (Viewed 214 times)

    I mean I think it'd be a pretty useless tactic for the two of us to just keep assigning each other reading, don't you think? I suppose for later perhaps we can trade reading lists, but I don't think appropriate for us to start giving each other Alvaro homework assignments.

You specifically asked me to provide my sources, so I did. Some of them, anyway. Articles about white working class voters tending to vote for Trump are numerous and easy to find.

    Suffice to say the Harvard Business Review may not have their finger on the pulse of the working class.

I could cite more and more articles. Do you honestly contest the fact that white working class voters tended to vote for Trump?

    I can go line by line if you like, but are there just going to be another article and an article after that?

It's weird that you ask me for sources, I provide them, and then you have a problem with the fact that I provided them.

    And to your point about this balancing act I think this point isn't seriously engaged with the political reality. It's an abstract truism. The truth is right now the minority isn't "being protected", they're dominating the vast majority of political institutions, and have control of the vast majority of the material resources of society. And that's THE specific minority of the hyper affluent. All those other identitarian minorities you'd like to gesture towards are also NOT protected under this kind of paradigm. Because while black, queer, non Christian so on might be hypothetically protected INSOFAR as they are of those identities... the VAST majority of POCs, queer people, etc are (again) working class of a necessity. So, they're not ACTUALLY protected in any existential sense.

Sounds like you lean Marxist.


    And the point is those Constitutional rights we are finding are only good as the political constitution of those in power. It's apparently done nothing to prevent the Federalist society from slowly installing 6 justice who have no compunction against perverting the "rights" enumerated in the document. The Constitution without actual institutions and mechanisms which actually empower it to be justly engaged with--which could only mean democratically engaged with--protects your rights about as well a crucifix around your neck will protect your soul.

In a Marxist context, you make a good point. Institutional democratization could work pretty well if the only concern anybody has is distribution of wealth. The majority would pretty reliably vote to distribute profits to everyone on an equal basis. Of course, distribution of wealth and maximization of wealth are two different things, so you'd need some sort of mechanism to incent innovation and extraordinary effort. But assuming you solved that problem, the exploitation of the non-rich by the rich would evaporate, because there wouldn't be any rich, and the standard of living would be pretty high, because innovation and extraordinary effort could still be relied upon to occur.

Could the majority be counted on to protect freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and religion? That's doubtful.

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