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Subj: Re: "No Way To Prevent This," Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 at 08:59:56 am EDT (Viewed 129 times)
Reply Subj: "No Way To Prevent This," Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 at 09:27:14 pm EDT (Viewed 156 times)



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    The Onion prints this story after every massacre, but people either agree with this sentiment that defies all logic or want to do something but is stopped by the former group from passing legislation. So 10 days after the Buffalo shooting that killed 10, another mass shooting leaves 18 children (said to be 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders) and 2 adults dead. We've had the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, where 26 were killed, the Parkland, FL Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, where 17 were killed, the Columbine High School massacre, where 13 were killed. That's just the tip of the iceberg of mass killings that happen in the U.S.A. This is apparently the 30th shooting at a K-12 school in 2022.


It breaks my heart. I do not understand the person who would want to do something like that and I do not understand the desire to do nothing.

Part of it is the US system is largely designed to resist change. So any effort to do much of anything has to make it through a needlessly complicated legislative process and then survive the arbitrary court system that is in place that year.


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    Yes, guns aren’t solely the problem, but they are the easiest to deal with. Australia did it after a 1996 mass shooting with much stricter gun laws and there wasn't another mass shooting for 23 years. https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365


Yeah, it is hard to argue that guns are not a major factor when they allow for killing on a large scale and that is really their only purpose at all.

The confounding factor would be the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment in some people's eyes. It is a vague thing really, but the modern conservative courts view it in the same light that would have been seen as extreme in the past.

Many other countries, to my knowledge, do not have that sort of problem as in their face and can deal with it more easily. It is ridiculous that the numerous deaths of children cannot even budge the needle anymore.

There are movements to band books, prevent kids from getting vaccines, from wearing masks and all manner of stupid things but when it comes to guns folks just throw up their hands and say my rights are more important than the lives of these kids.


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    Which is easier, changing the mental health of a population or a massive gun buy-back program? Removing poverty and crime or stricter gun laws? Other developed countries have mental health issues, poverty, and crime, but none of them have the consistently higher gun death rate that the U.S. has. The difference? They have stricter gun laws. So yes, there is a way to prevent this because every other developed country does.


For sure.

One of the frustrating things to me is also that the arument often boils down to the fact that those who should be able to buy guns will have a hard time. To my knowledge most measures proposed (other than banning) would impose delays at most. Which are not a big deal.

There are too many guns. Heck, there should be all sorts of restriction on guns out there. And they probably would not prevent every gun crime in the US, but they would put more and more roadblocks up and prevent at least some of them.

The US has so many guns already out there that it is probably not possible to fix it all in a swing but it is the best solution to the problem in terms of immediate impact. Mental health is important, but also would not be a cure all or an easy fix either. It is the easy blame but most folks with mental illness are non-violent as well and many are undiagnosed because of the stigma around it and lack of available care that is made worse when movements blame mental illness.

I imagine it will be blamed on books, video games and movies though. As that is an easier culture war out than doing something that would actually make a difference.

Guns are the uniting factor and action on them is required to curb this. The underlying causes are varied and will require alot more effort to deal with. They need to be in the various forms, but the focus should be on things like support for appropriate staff in schools like councilors, identifying troubled folks and getting them help, but in the best case scenario those would be imperfect as well.






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