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The Avenger

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Subj: Re: I'd say mobilize before you arm.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 10:37:01 am EDT (Viewed 149 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I'd say mobilize before you arm.
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 at 10:00:39 am EDT (Viewed 171 times)


      Before anybody could ever talk about any kind of armed struggle we need to greatly increase our numbers organized around a class conscious project. That means of course rejecting neoliberal capitalism and forwarding the needs of working class people which is to say the forces of democracy. Don't get me wrong I'm not discouraging any radical action. Just saying you need the people before you get the guns.


    I think Atrimus may have been advising the Left to arm themselves in self-defense against an armed assault by the Right. But I could easily be misinterpreting, and if so, my apologies.

You’re correct. Some of the same Justices that overturned Roe v Wade once called it settled law; Republican officials have both subtly and brazenly called for physically assault on their political opponents; “Stop the Steal” nonsense; Jan 6th; the open association with (and in some cases, endorsement of) extreme right racists/fascist organizations, etc. The right has gradually chipped at the wall called “What can we get away with” and at some point they’re gonna breech that wall into outright armed authoritarianism.

Protesting has done zilch. Gerrymandering, and a host of repressive laws passed Republican state legislature (and upheld by the Supreme Court), has all but rendered voting a futile enterprise. I’m in no way an armed revolution type, but the trend set by the right suggests that reality is gonna come to a point where the left will either have to cede it’s existence as it is now, or take up arms in self defense.

    I've come to a political view which, in some ways, is on your wavelength, LGDB. But I don't (yet) subscribe to the idea that all issues boil down to the class struggle. For example, how does the class struggle inform the debate around concealed carry of a firearm? Guns are owned and carried by poor people, middle class people, and rich people. If anything, since the poor and middle class outnumber the rich, I would think a Marxist would favor expanding the ownership and carrying of firearms. Do you in fact favor that?

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