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atrimus

Location: Saint Louis, MO
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bd2999 
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Subj: Re: I'd say mobilize before you arm.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 05:13:59 pm EDT (Viewed 151 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I'd say mobilize before you arm.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 11:11:34 am EDT (Viewed 158 times)



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          Before anybody could ever talk about any kind of armed struggle we need to greatly increase our numbers organized around a class conscious project. That means of course rejecting neoliberal capitalism and forwarding the needs of working class people which is to say the forces of democracy. Don't get me wrong I'm not discouraging any radical action. Just saying you need the people before you get the guns.

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          I think Atrimus may have been advising the Left to arm themselves in self-defense against an armed assault by the Right. But I could easily be misinterpreting, and if so, my apologies.

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        You’re correct. Some of the same Justices that overturned Roe v Wade once called it settled law; Republican officials have both subtly and brazenly called for physically assault on their political opponents; “Stop the Steal” nonsense; Jan 6th; the open association with (and in some cases, endorsement of) extreme right racists/fascist organizations, etc. The right has gradually chipped at the wall called “What can we get away with” and at some point they’re gonna breech that wall into outright armed authoritarianism.



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    They are not seeing any punishment for it. Some of those folks win primary votes to power. The GOP base has become fairly extremist. Not everyone but they are putting forth pretty bad folks.


No, not everyone, but the rational elements of the Republican party have definitely become the minority.


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    Honestly, unless high level people are punished for January 6th nothing is going to change and next time the coup may work.


I’d like to be wrong, but I’m not even sure that will help. They’ll just twist any prosecution of Jan 6th culprits into claims that said culprits are being unfairly and unjustly persecuted. And they’ve sewn and stoked so much conspiratorial doubt in the system that enough Republican voters will buy into it.


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      Protesting has done zilch. Gerrymandering, and a host of repressive laws passed Republican state legislature (and upheld by the Supreme Court), has all but rendered voting a futile enterprise. I’m in no way an armed revolution type, but the trend set by the right suggests that reality is gonna come to a point where the left will either have to cede it’s existence as it is now, or take up arms in self defense.



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    Probably so. I think one big problem is that the left is harder to rile up. Momentum fades faster a bit of the time as opposed to those who hold grudges. And the GOP, like you said, is really good at holding onto power once they have it. Pretty much kicking democracy in any form to the curve.


True about the left being harder to rile. I’d like to hope that RvW being overturned might light a more prolonged fire under some seats though.


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    All of that is a real problem, but highlighted with SCOTUS and probably the biggest problem that it is just checking off conservative wish list items at this point. Something needs to be done with regards to that. Most other countries do not have an absolute court that pretty much establishes rules as it goes and can change the regulations on the fly despite having to ignore decades of confirmational rulings. Term limits, putting more on the court or something needs to happen.


I’ve grudgingly come around to the idea of stacking the courts, if for no other reason than to check it’s power. It’s comical how the Supreme Court is supposed to be one of the cogs in the checks-and-balances system, yet it itself has no check on its authority.


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    And the avenues to achieve these goals within the system and one of the parties participating is really hard. Particularly with a system already resistant to change.



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    I hear and empathize with you. I think it is a downer for sure. There are always regressions in history but this one particularly hurts.



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    The window to meaningfully act on climate change is closing and it looks like nothing will be done by the US government since one party has decided it does not want to do it.


Lo and behold:

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-epa-ruling-2e893673819a1b6c6aa272a5e814f0b0


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        I've come to a political view which, in some ways, is on your wavelength, LGDB. But I don't (yet) subscribe to the idea that all issues boil down to the class struggle. For example, how does the class struggle inform the debate around concealed carry of a firearm? Guns are owned and carried by poor people, middle class people, and rich people. If anything, since the poor and middle class outnumber the rich, I would think a Marxist would favor expanding the ownership and carrying of firearms. Do you in fact favor that?




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