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The Avenger

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Subj: Re: Name a Communist political regime that didn't end up evil.
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 at 10:19:13 am EDT (Viewed 141 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Name a Communist political regime that didn't end up evil.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 at 01:55:37 pm EDT (Viewed 152 times)



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      I mean it depends alot on definitions right? I mean how many truely communist governments have their been? Most of them tend to be more authoratarian from the get go and then implement parts of it. I am not saying it does not work in theory or practice but what we often think about as communist governments really were selective in the aspects used.



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    For purposes of this discussion, I'll take the regime's word for it. If it says it's Communist, then it is.


Which is fair enough. Just keep in mind names are not always the same. North Korea calls itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Which is laughable.

However, it is true that most places that claim to be communist do in fact take on at least some of the tennants of communism or even many. Which is true.


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      I am not sure that I would use secret police as evil. I get what you are saying. Secret police that take people in the night without a trial or anything but I think that action of taking people without a trial is more evil. Generally, a government that governs without regard to those being governed would probably indicate evil.



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    The idea of a litmus test is to have a straightforward, objective measure. My rationale for the one selected is, I believe it's impossible that any regime which employs a police force in secret against its political opponents could be anything but evil. Meanwhile, a regime that does NOT employ a police force in secret against its political opponents must have a modicum of honor, which means it must be something other than pure evil.


Oh, I understand the desire for easy definitions. You need them when discussing anything or to have a legit frame of reference. It can just get tricky.

The hard part starts to bleed into when it is secret though. You can have a corrupt government do things out in the daylight with the regular police that would still be considered evil by many definitions. I agree that police that show up in the night and take people is not something done well, but most countries have some manner of secret police. At least their operations are.


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    It strikes me as meaningful that every single political regime that has ever self-identified as Communist has employed a police force in secret against its political opponents. It is of course equally meaningful that theocratic and fascist regimes are known for the same tactic.


Sure and I am not an expert on ever communist country or government in history. But even places like the US have turned the police on folks that are political enemies. It may not always have been secret but it has happened.

Workers trying to unionize, civil rights and others have been used frequently. I mean non descript authorities were present in various protests while Trump was president and folks were taken in unlabeled vans where the officers would not identify and were like prison guards or something.

It just often gets murky to me.

That the communist countries often disappeared political opponents or opponents in general is beyond dispute in the examples I am thinking of. I just think it can be prevalent. More corrupt countries just realize all they have to do is make something illegal and then just use the policeo ut in the open too.






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