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Subj: Re: Ultimates 100 - final issue
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 at 12:47:32 am EDT (Viewed 166 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Ultimates 100 - final issue
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 11:46:08 pm EDT (Viewed 165 times)
Quote:Maybe I'm missing something but shouldn't there have been a total of eight versions of Eternity referenced? Ultimates 2 #6 established that the war fought between the Aspirants and the "rebels" caused hundreds of new universes to split off from the pure essence of the First Firmament and that those new universes coalesced into a new, collective being, a Second Cosmos who was also the first Multiverse. Eternity's recent death and resurrection caused his change from being the seventh multiverse to the eighth multiverse. Later issues reaffirmed the idea that Galactus is the last survivor of the sixth multiverse and that the current Eternity is the eighth iteration of the multiverse. Meanwhile, the First Firmament is repeatedly described as being the first iteration of All Reality. So, there should be a total of NINE embodiments of reality: the First Firmament plus personifications of the eight multiverses, right?
Quote:No, there have only been seven multiverses total. Stop thinking of them as universes or multiverses but iterations of existence. The First Firmament was the first iteration. The current Eternity is the eighth.
I see your point of view but the fact is that Eternity is specifically identified as being the seventh and eighth multiverses instead of the seventh and eighth iterations of reality. To me, that really reinforces the idea that there have been a total of eight multiverses, not one universe and seven multiverses. Of course, if you ("zvelf") are actually Al Ewing posting on this forum, then I'm totally wrong (and you chose your words poorly).
Quote:As for the Queen of Nevers, the current Silver Surfer series made it very clear that she was IMPORTANT (even if she'd never been seen before) and had a strong connection to Eternity. Plus, the fact that she was shown saving the last of the Celestials from Logos was something that was clearly meant to be significant and I'm very pleased that it turned out to lead to the rebirth of the Celestials.
Quote:Yes. Calling them the Fifth Host is technically inaccurate though. The Fourth Host on Earth was simply the fourth visitation by Celestials. They didn't have to be different Celestials each time.
There was also an X-Factor storyline in which a Celestial Fifth Host was judging a planet of mutants. As you said, they were known as that because it was the fifth time that any group of Celestials had visited that planet.
Quote:Speaking of the Celestials, there are three things that I don't fully understand about their place in Ewing's cosmology. First, in issue #6, the First Firmament described how it created the first Celestial Beings which it named the Aspirants. The First Firmament then went on to say that "there were others" whom it described as "multicolored rebels" who wanted the universe to know growth and change and mortality. Later, on the recap page of Ultimates 2 #9, the Queen of Nevers stated that "it is said" that the First Firmament created the Celestials. So, is this a sign that Ewing is backing away from the idea that both the Aspirants and the Celestials were created by the First Firmament?
Quote:No. The First Firmament created both.
I agree that that is what was strongly implied in issue #6 but the Queen of Nevers' "it is said" qualification makes it less absolutely true than I would like. Maybe it's another poor choice of words by the writer?
Quote:Second, if the Celestials were part of the original Universe and colonized the Second Cosmos/First Multiverse, how did they get into the Seventh Multiverse? Did they die with each of the first six multiverses only to be reborn in their successors? Or did they somehow bypass the death/resurrection cycle, perhaps stepping Outside of All Reality until the replacement multiverses were ready to be recolonized?
Quote:It seems to me that the Celestials don't automatically die with each iteration. They were responsible for the first multiverse after the dispersion of the First Firmament and they tend to each iteration.
That's possible but it would have been nice if the story had made it clear that the Celestials were somehow exempt from dying with each of the multiverses.
By the way, where exactly do the Infinity Gems (NOT the Infinity Stones) fit into these multiverses? Or the Bloodgem/Hellfire Helix/Exo-Mind? Or the gems that made up the Lifestone Tree? All of these items were said to have originated from a point in time before the then-current universe existed, so which multiverse(s) did they come from?