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little kon-el

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Comicguy1

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Subj: Vision and Rebooting is why DC works better as a TV Show...
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 at 07:24:27 am EDT (Viewed 124 times)
Reply Subj: Why Can DC Do Such Great Shows, But Such Bad Movies?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 at 06:08:50 pm EDT (Viewed 182 times)

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I'm just wondering about this. Most people seem to be disappointed in the movies that DC does (Green Lantern, Batman versus Superman, Suicide Squad.), but people really enjoy and like the shows (Gotham, The Flash, Supergirl seems to be the most popular.). I'm just wondering why they seem to be doing so much better in the shows. Maybe they should just stick to the shows. Personally, I enjoyed the Green Lantern movie, and I LOVE the Batman films (Batman Versus Superman had some good stuff, the problem was that it was too long and too jumbled. They could have kept it JUST between Batman and Superman too.). Man Of Steel had some good bits too, him killing Zod just ruined it for me. I do NOT think that the Wonder Woman movie will be good, and I am excited for the Justice League movie (And I've been waiting a long time.). Gotham is a great show.

Maybe DC needs to take a cue from the Marvel movies and add some humor (Ala the Avengers and the Guardians Of The Galaxy movies.). That MIGHT be why people gravitate more towards the Marvel movies.

What really works is that in Movies you tend to have one vision with a lot of executives managing that vision. In TV Shows, you have the vision of several different writers, executives, and people involved with DC Comics to help create a world. That's what DC really thrives on: creating alternate continuities that work as a hodge podge of different continuities and storylines from the books to build up their narrative. In the movies, they tend to just fall back on "We're like the Christopher Reeves Superman or the 1989 Batman or NOT like the Christopher Reeves Superman or 1989 Batman. The vision of these directors is limited to what has come before, but not the comics or the continuity of the characters in previous incarnations. And they can't or won't go in depth in movies about these characters, unless they're Batman. In the Flash, they go in depth on Vibe and we get a lot of backstory about Vibe's family that is in continuity or in conversation with his DC counterpart's post crisis, pre-crisis, and post-52 incarnations.

The counterpoint is the Marvel Universe that builds on the idea that really there are only 2 incarnations of these characters: the original MU and the Ultimate Universe. They don't have 4 distinct incarnations of Captain America to choose from...they only really pull from the main continuity line. So we never see alternate ways to revise the origin of these characters. We only really get the 2. And that's why they make good movies, but Agents of SHIELD is lacking. You can't have many interpretations of the MU because the MU itself only really has one interpretation that is revised over time, but not by much.

By rebooting, DC lends itself to TV Shows because TV Shows don't have to be iconic, they have to fill 45 minutes of screen time with ideas pulled from the comic books and charismatic actors. But Movies are problematic because its easy to be defined by a few iconic presentations of previous movies, rather than pulling from the grand grouping of comics and the entire line. Note that the Superman reboot movie pulls a lot from Donner, but a lot from Mark Waid and Grant Morrison's iconic portrayals, but does not understand the point or cannot figure out how to make that point well. That's why Smallville worked so well in that regard because his non-killing rule was built up from years and years in that storyline so that when he finally tells the Legion why they don't kill, it carries heft to it. It is earned because we see when Clark is reckless with power. And we have a dozen writers helping the show runners figure that out, whereas Man of Steel only had a few writers, but one Director with the wrong idea.

- l.k.


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