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Subj: Re: Dan DiDio has left DC Comics.
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 06:45:56 pm EST (Viewed 125 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Dan DiDio has left DC Comics.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 06:46:07 pm EST (Viewed 129 times)


      I don't quite agree. Barry/Flash was a book that had not sold well for DC in many years, the problem became so worrying it led to editorial and Cary Bates deciding to dispose of Iris in order to free Barry and perhaps inject a new energy into the series. Clearly that didn't work, and for me a large part of the problem was perhaps that Cary Bates had been allowed to stay for far too long by this point and that he was joined somewhere in the issue #290's by Carmine Infantino, an artist who's work by this time was marmite and only appealed when others (like Frank McLaughlin) finished it. When Infantino began finishing his own work the result was atrocious to look at... and this went on for some years.

    This is a myth that desperately needs busting.

    Flash outsold Green Lantern throughout the 1960's and 70's, to the point where Green Lantern was cancelled and spent several years in the wilderness.

    Even into the early 80's both books had comparable sales. In 1981 for example they both sold around 260,000 copies. It's only in the year or two before Crisis that Flash's sales had dipped, and even then not by a great amount - only 30,000 copies less than GL. Still strong for the standards of 1985.

I can't refute that as I don't have the sales data. I know Green Lantern was cancelled after the O'Neill/Adams run but my point of comparison was where these bools were at by the early 1980s - and what you had was one book with new and dynamic talented creators doing good work, and the other offering Cary Bates, Carmine Infantino, and a rambling aimless direction.
Good sellers do not get cancelled. I don't know for sure what sales were for The Flash by 1984 but I would be incredulous if this poor a product, along with Wonder Woman at the time, were selling comparable to Green Lantern. The distance between the quality of Green Lantern at the time and The Flash & Wonder Woman is as night is to day. The Flash by 1985 was a character who had been tarnished and run into the ground, While Green Lantern was in the midst of a major renaissance...

Think on what the Crisis and the 1986 restart was all about. It was about taking tired characters, tired books, and reinventing them for the 1980s. A fresh start. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman are the publishers flagship characters and receive the most attention and care. A new Justice League is devised. Long running second-string characters Captain Marvel, Hawkman and Captain Atom are rebooted while other books and characters such as Green Arrow, Teen Titans, Legion of Super-Heroes and Green Lantern are maintained as was. Unchanged. Because these were books that were good sellers, and with characters that had been kept fresh and relevant, rebooting was uneccessary therefore. In light of this context then why is it any mystery that Barry Allen was a problem that DC had to deal with accordingly by this time? A character so defined by the stagnancy of Cary Bates' approach and the ugliness of Infantino's work that he had been run into the ground in terms of commercial popularity... Married twice, guilty of Manslaughter, time to take a break.

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