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Count Dante

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Chris Tolworthy

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Subj: Re: 200 page analysis of Fantastic Four issue 1
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 09:56:32 pm EST (Viewed 165 times)
Reply Subj: Re: 200 page analysis of Fantastic Four issue 1
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 at 09:19:18 pm EST (Viewed 185 times)

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You're right about the title. I was just feeling click baity. \:\) My original plan was to write a book about Kirby's writing, and that's still my goal. This is just a sort of prequel.

Actually, part of the reason for writing a "case against" is that I am surprised that nobody has done so before. We have the "Lee did everything" book (Origins of Marvel Comics) so it seems fitting to have a "Lee did nothing" book. My current feelings are very negative to him, but my feelings have changed in the past, so they could do so again.

And I know that, while we humans like to pretend we are rational, we really are not. I currently don't like Lee for emotional reasons: I happen to love everything Kirby did. So changing Kirby's work is an unforgivable crime! And since I think Lee's changes are worthless, that means Lee cannot be called a writer, so that makes him a liar and cheat for taking the writing money. But obviously if I preferred Lee's writing to Kirby's then changing Kirby's writing would not be a crime, it would be a great service to mankind, and Lee would deserve every penny.

Fair enough. I’ve never been very enamored with Lee either, but I am not sure we can say that Lee did nothing. He absolutely did something. The endless debate is exactly who did what, but it will probably be debated eternally. However, whether one likes Lee or not, he undoubtedly will go down as a major figure in comic book history. I have heard good arguments in favor of Lee’s role and contributions.

But I have great fondness for creators of the magnitude of Kirby. He still is the creator I judge all others against. I have come to the conclusion that there existed a certain synergy between Lee and Kirby that was rare. Were they the Lennon and McCartney of comics? Maybe, maybe not. And more importantly, which one was Paul? I guess that depends on a variety of subjective issues.

Proving Kirby was a great writer? And that he was a superior writer to Lee? That will be an interesting and possibly challenging case to make. I look forward to reading your arguments. That is a complex undertaking to be sure!

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