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D. Strange

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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Re: 200 page analysis of Fantastic Four issue 1
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 at 06:04:06 am EST (Viewed 154 times)
Reply Subj: Re: 200 page analysis of Fantastic Four issue 1
Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 at 11:28:04 am EST (Viewed 169 times)

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    Yes but Stan Lee was perceived by fans, media & the hierarchy of Marvel comics as the pivotal creator of the Marvel Universe, relegating pencillers as satellite creators orbiting around him.

I think that's sort of the problem. I think Kirby and Ditko assumed that because of that Stan could intercede on their behalf. He could not. (whether he bothered with an attempt is unknown) I'm thinking Stan didn't have the pull we imagine he did and he was probably a bit milquetoast.

We all want to paint Stan as the villain but he could have just been the guy who was too worried about keeping his own job to stick his neck out for someone else and too embarrassed at the little power he did have to put up a fight. Maybe Stan didn't have the power or sway we think he did and was treated like a fool with the people with the actual power at the company like Martin Goodman. I'm thinking there were people in power out to screw over pencilers and Stan just sort of let it happen so no one would be out to get him. I don't think he ever did anything out of malice.

I hate to break this to you, but as a freelancer I can tell you, that is just sort of the name of the game.

Unless you have it in writing you don't get any say over your work.

Jack Kirby lost his lawsuit in the 80s, because he got what he was owed under the law, not because Marvel was malevolent. He just worked there before the creator writes stuff happened in the 80s.

Quite honestly, he had been a freelancer for 20 years when FF 1 hit the stands. For 40 when he filed the suit. He should have (and probably did) known the rules of the game.

Freelance is a a tough way to make a living. You get get screwed right to your face, and you know it.

Not to mention, it isn't like DC gave him control over The Fourth World or The Demon.

Also, his Captain America in the 70s was awful. I know it has nothing to do with everything, but people forget Kirby may have been a genus, but he had his faults too.

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