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Subj: Re: I don't think youunderstood him.
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 at 11:13:00 am EST (Viewed 219 times)
Reply Subj: I don't think youunderstood him.
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 at 08:27:06 am EST (Viewed 210 times)
Quote:He didn't say he isn't a villain, he said that he isn't a criminal.
Quote:He has been making this point about world domination not being a crime since... at least when Marvel first got a website and had little videos explaining it.
Quote:And, he's right. The example he gives is apt, a cop can't stop a guy from wanting to take over the world.
Is it apt? I mean Doom wanting to take over the world isn't the problem. I kinda want the same thing. But Doom commits numerous crimes in other countries that are not his own to facilitate his desire for world conquest. His desire to rule is for the most part irrelevant. The crimes he commits to achieve that goal are where legality enters the equation. He's often committing acts of terror outside of Latveria. The sad fact is the United States or the European Union don't have a mechanism to bring despots like that to justice (aside from toppling their governments and throwing the countries into chaos) even in the real world if they're heads of state. But he's still committing terrorism and general crimes.
Quote:More importantly, nobleman doesn't mean a person who acts nobly, it means a royal. And Dr. Doom is a royal, and there for free from prosecution for most crimes any way. Usually attempted murder/attempted mass murder, would over ride that.
Quote:The point is that he isn't a criminal by law... not that he is a good person.
Quote:Admittedly, I didn't watch the episode, I looked it up after reading this, and just had a guy reading a quote.
Quote:I always viewed him as a guy who views himself as noble, wants to be noble... but isn't.
Yeah he's not descended from a royal family. He's descended from the Roma (gypsies) who aren't viewed positively. He's king because he killed the rightful king and seized power. I'm sure the other royal families in Europe in the MU don't like him because he's Roma more than because he's a tyrant or an usurper....they've all had their share of that in their own histories.
(you know I would think Doctor Doom being Roma AND a king would be an important combination. Has any real world Roma ever been king of a country before and been allowed to embrace their Roma heritage?)
Quote:He likes the illusion. He likes the Delusion.
Which to me is a little sick. I'm sure the king wasn't Roma. Instead of breaking the aristocracy that marginalized the Roma in Latveria he kept it going so it could benefit him. Instead of bringing about a new enlightenment to his country he uses the systems of the old monarchy to continue to stifle people in his kingdom. He's a Roma playing at being king instead of improving the plight of his people or his kingdom as a whole. Zorba's family really did win...they may have lost control but Latveria is still just as crappy a kingdom as it always was.