Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Iron Maiden 

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Subj: Re: What Is The All-Time WORST Thing That Doom Has Ever Done?
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 01:50:23 pm EST (Viewed 416 times)
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      Steve Englehart again. Some weird and unpleasant stories were written under his pen.

    You know I'm really not that fond of him either. He writes a lot of bad stuff.

    1. Crystal's affair
    2. Scarlet Witch having children with a robot using witchcraft
    3. Mockingbird being raped and Hawkeye not taking her side when she let the rapist fall off a cliff
    4. Everything Mantis related...including her mating with a tree.
    5. Retconning/implying Shary was gang raped by the Power Broker's men (did NOT happen in the earlier Cap story)
    6. The Vision is the Torch stuff
    7. The Falcon Snap Wilson retcon (basically he revealed Sam was a pimp)


    My personal theory has always been that Englehart was raised in a cave and has never actually met a woman before. His writing for female characters is awful.


I remember reading his stuff back in the day and truth to tell, his Fantastic Four run is when I gave up comics for a long time.

You're forgetting a few more weird things he did and this one merited a column on its own by Brian Cronin on CBR. Englehart made Pietro into a wild-eyed super-villain and even when other writers repaired the damage and tried to fix things, Englehart went right back to it.

Link to article: https://www.cbr.com/the-abandoned-an-forsaked-why-was-quicksilver-such-a-crazy-supervillain-during-the-1980s/

IIRC We see him first going all wacko during Englehart's Fantastic Four run.

This would continue for a while but this is enough for the purposes of this thread without derailing it too much.

Another Steve Englehart bit of ickiness occurs in Doctor Strange where Clea is seduced by....Ben Franklin. Marvel had that one reversed pretty quick though by Marv Wolfman in the next issue (Doctor Strange #18 and #19) I think Englehart might have the record for stories that ended up being by "fixed" by other writers. It's just kind of odd that they got printed in the first place.

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