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Subj: Re: Flash March 31st
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 at 07:50:31 pm BST (Viewed 439 times)
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 at 04:03:12 am BST (Viewed 508 times)

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    So Wells is not a brainwashed pawn of Thawn as some may have thought. As I have stated from the beginning, Wells is Thawne/Reverse Flash. Wells also stated he was Thawne to Cisco in the day that Barry negated via Time Travel.

And some thought that Dr. Wells was a future Barry Allen. I was like, "What?! If this was Barry from the future, everyone would recognize him as such! And Barry would "never" become the Reverse Flash!"

This episode puts all theories to rest once and for all. Now we all know beyond a shadow of a doubt, Dr. Wells is Eobard Thawne AKA The Reverse Flash.

And good call btw. You called it from the very beginning. I'm still surprised the writers didn't go for the misdirection thing by making someone the obvious choice then revealing it to be someone else. But I am glad they didn't go for a misdirection as that kind of thing has become very tiresome.

    Barry now knows for sure Wells is Reverse Flash and is now acting like he is still pals with Wells instead of nearly blowing his cover like he almost did early in the episode

Good, Barry has finally caught on. \:\)

    This episode was a nice new episode that was also a nice nod to the 90's series. Barry saves his Dad and John Wesley Shipp gets to be on camera with the new Flash and compliments the costume and gets to see Star Labs.

WHen I saw that scene, I thought to myself, "Wouldn't it be awesome if Barry's Dad was released from prison in season 2 and took Dr. Wells's place?" Think about, Barry's Dad is a Doctor, a scientist. And Dr. Wells, I'm betting, won't be around as a mentor in season 2. Barry will need someone to replace Dr. Wells. Who better than dear old Dad? I can definitely see this happening. ;\)

    Barry considers himself now very close to being able to clear his dad.
    Cisco did tell Joe he didn't run the blood at the house against Well's DNA, and that blood is still not ID'd. However I think they will talk to Cisco soon and get the blood rechecked.

Indeed. More revelations are yet to be made. Hopefully, the next time Cisco finds out Dr. Wells is the Reverse Flash, he won't die.

    We see more of what happened in the past and again I WAS RIGHT. Reverse Flash literally drained all his power in that Gideon stated was his latest time jump to fight the Flash and that his powers at this point are drained to zero.

Indeed. His power seems to come from the Speed Force. At least, that's what I got out of the whole thing. But the Speed Force, apparently, doesn't exist in the past because Barry hasn't become the Flash yet. In the comics, Barry is the one that "inadvertently" created the Speed Force. From the looks of the things, the writers seem to be going in that direction. This would explain why Thawne became stuck in the past and can't use his powers. ANd this could explain why Thawne wants Barry to get faster so the Speed Force is created so the Reverse Flash can implement his game plan.

    Thawne's true appearance is literally that of a descendant of Eddie Thawne but he genetically alters himself with the real Dr Wells DNA to become Wells and use his own genius and future knowledge to get the particle accelerator online sooner then 2020 so that he can get powered up and create Barry as the Flash.

I was blown away by this scene. I was like, "What?! It can't be!" Just 2 episodes back, we clearly saw Dr. Wells is the Reverse Flash. So I was thinking, does Thawne possess Dr. Wells? What happened? What's up? Then we got the answer and it makes sense. \:\)

    So comes the question, in the unaltered history where the accelerator was made in 2020, did Barry still become the Flash from a freak electrical storm, OR has history not been changed but again FULFILLED by Thawne coming back and bringing the accelerator online in 2014 thus creating the Flash, the metahumans and regain his speed powers to an extent.

Since Dr. Wells knew about Barry and his accident, becoming the Flash and all that, I'd say Barry still becomes the Flash no matter what. Maybe in the unaltered timeline, he became the Flash a bit later but I'm thinking he still became the Flash.

    That is the question: DID The Flash and the other Metahumans still exist in that future timeline that has since been negated by Thawne creating the particle accelerator in 2014?

I'm thinking so. \:\)

    The Answer; yes. Why? Simple. Eobard Thawne has always had an obsession with the history of the Flash and in his own future time, he replicated the incident that gave Barry his powers, thus now in the 25th century he had the same powers. Thus the Flash had to exist in that other timeline for Thawne to be inspired/obsessed. Now as to why he wants to go back to when Barry was a kid and kill him, I cannot recall his motivation from the comics other then that he is a crazed sociopathic killer.

I have not yet read the others who responded to you so I hope I don't end up repeating something here. My apologies if I do. ;\)

In the 90's comics, Thawne became obsessed with the Flash. He wanted to be like his hero. He wanted to BE the Flash. So, he did what he could to gain Superspeed and then went back in time to meet his hero. Thawne came to the Flash museum, saw a statue of the Flash killing the Reverse Flash. Thawne always wondered who the Reverse Flash was because no one seemed to know in the 25th century. Then Thawne saw his own name and he had a mental breakdown. The hero he once practically worshipped was destined to kill him.

And that's when Thawne began hating Barry Allen. That's when the Reverse Flash was born. And that is why he wants to kill Barry before Barry kills him.

I don't know if this is what the writers are going for in this TV series but in the comics, that's Thawne's motivation for hating Barry and wanting him dead.

    Thus the more things change the more they stay the same. Thawne has made the accelerator come online 6 years early and we still get The Flash and the meta humans.

Good! \:\)

    Looking forward to Wells being outed and The Flash taking him on.

Me too! We got a taste of that in this episode. \:\)

    However Barry is still trapped in a paradox and doesn't realize it. For him that fight with Reverse Flash in the past is a part of general history, but for Barry at the moment it is still his personal future. For Barry though that fight has happened historically, for him it has yet to occur. He believes now that he knows of the fight and has seen some of the hologram images that Cisco made that he is prepared and can now do things different.

Let's hope Barry fails to save his Mom. I really, REALLY, do not want to see a TV version of Flashpoint (whi9ch is on the rumor mill of what the writers plan to do).

    However we see in tonights episode that Barry must save his younger self as he zips him away from the house in one direction, while Reverse Flash zips away in the wrong direction and runs out of power. Barry will find he has no choice but to save his younger self and will not be able to save his mother or prevent his father from being framed since before RF leaves the house his mom is dead and his father is framed. Can Barry break this paradox? Doubtful, it is a circular time loop that is similar to the one in Babylon 5 that dealt with Babylon 4 and Valen. It is a loop that while it COULD be broken, it may be VERY disastrous if it were broken.

One of many reasons why I don't want the writers to do Flashpoint. We don't need that mess.

    We shall see.

    Also Barry revealing himself to Eddie......not a good idea. Eddie now knows that story about lightning psychosis from last ep is a lie and thus knows that Barry still has his eye on Iris. They could have asked for his help without Barry unmasking.

I agree. It was a STUPID move!

It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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