The Flash >> View Post
Post By
Reverend Meteor

In Reply To
Iron Man Unit 007

Subj: To quote Sherlock Holmes: Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 at 02:22:04 pm GMT (Viewed 6 times)
Reply Subj: Rethinking my ZOOM list a bit........
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 at 07:48:32 am GMT (Viewed 6 times)

    I've been recently rewatching season 2 from the start to the present.

    I have seen many ideas that link Jay to being ZOOM or being in cahoots with ZOOM.

There has to be some connection. If Jay isn't Zoom then Zoom has replaced the real Jay with an impostor.

    My blindspot to this idea is that I've always like the comic character Jay Garrick, he is the Golden Age Flash and I would hate to think that for this series he has been corrupted into a villain.

If they make the real Jay the man in the iron mask then Jay's reputation is salvaged. But this Jay we see week after week...that guy's crooked as hell.

    However stepping back a bit there are somethings that stick out a bit:

    1. ZOOM and Jay were only seen together in the flashback that showed Jay getting allegedly drained of speed force by ZOOM and swept into the portal to Earth 1.


    2. Jay has been training Barry to harness lightning but he also preaches caution to the point of cowardice. He has also refused to partake in the fight that Barry had with ZOOM that broke Barry's back for a few weeks.

    3. Jay hates Velocity 6 and was loathe to use it to save Wells2.

    4. We now have learned that Jay was using V6 to boost his powers but the results were a bit of a disaster and he states it was V6 and not ZOOM that depowered him and that V6 has damaged his DNA and he is dying.

    5. Hunter Zolomon is apparently the Earth 1 version of Jay. Jay also states that Hunter's DNA isn't altered like his and thus couldn't cure him.

If we assume the Jay we know is Zoom then Jay's information is suspect (although this detail sounds true). To me when Caitlin was nosing around about Jay's Earth-1 doppelganger Jay considered killing her but decided against it. To me his whole romance with Caitlin has been part of a scheme for some larger purpose...a nice guy wouldn't hit on a girl after she just lost her husband what a month earlier? And no homo but he's a good looking guy...why wasn't he spoken for on earth-2? There's always something just a tad off about Jay. And did Jay really not know Caitlin was Killer Frost on his world? She doesn't wear a mask and Barry and company ran into her fairly quickly their first night in town. Jay knows lots of stuff about Team Flash and their enemies Earth-1 counterparts and he sits on that information.

    6. Jay tells Geomancer in their brief skirmish that Geomancer doesn't really want to see what would happen of Jay cut loose at full speed. Bravado or a hint that he is ZOOM?

How did Geomancer know Barry was out of town?

    7. Wells2 gives ZOOM some of Barry's speed force, ZOOM's hand looked a bit trembly...perhaps like a junkie or sick man needing their medicine?

    8. The speed cannon and portal are damaged after Jay zaps them to Earth 2. The portal in STAR LABS is the only one left and it is closed until they fix the gear. We have Jay on Earth 1 and ZOOM is on Earth 2.

    9. ZOOM has used the portals to travel, but does he really need them or can he alter his vibrational frequency and dimension jump on his own? if so then he'd use the portals to conserve power. However IF Zoom can travel dimensions without the portals, then ZOOM could appear on Earth 2 while still being Jay on Earth 1. This IS a big IF at the moment, more data is needed to see if ZOOM can dimension jump on his own.

Even if he did need the portal...if he's in league with Hunter they can appear in two different place. And like I said earlier...Jay's info is suspect and we only have his word that Hunter has no powers. Either Jay (imposter Jay?) or Hunter is Zoom.

This is a mystery so there's going to be a swerve somewhere. Jay and Zoom being in two different places at one time seems to rule out Jay...but we're expecting there will be a twist. One of our assumptions somewhere is false...that's how most mysteries work.

    10. Wells2 created ZOOM with the particle explosion which also powered up Jay.

Right Knight argued with me about this last week...but when we saw the flashback with Jay arguing with Wells earlier in the season Jay mentions that Wells machine gave him and the other metahumans their powers.


    IS Jay connected to ZOOM in some capacity?: Probable.

The options as I see it.

1. Jay is evil.
2. Hunter is pretending to be Jay.
3. The Jay we know is an impostor but not Hunter. Real Jay is the guy in the iron mask (So there are somehow 3 Jay's?)
4. Hunter and Jay are working together

But everything leads back to Jay somehow.

    I have stated that ZOOM could be a molecular split from Jay Garrick similar to the Star Trek episode when the transporter split Kirk into good and evil. ZOOM gets more speed force then Jay and is unrestrained in its use but he wants more because he is only half a person. Jay wanted more speed for similar reasons. ZOOM could be draining Jay too fast for him to recharge unless he uses Velocity 6 to 9 to boost himself.

My problem with that theory. If Zoom is just a manifestation of Jay's dark side or addiction and the Jay we know is indeed a reliable source of information then Jay has confirmed Hunter was adopted. If Jay's a no good liar then we can disregard that info...but if Jay is on the up and up then we have to assume Hunter was an infant that was adopted.

    So IS Jay Garrick ZOOM? possible. However here is something to contemplate: Jay is NOT ZOOM......but ZOOM IS JAY...or rather I should say that Jay is either a prisoner of ZOOM or perhaps killed by ZOOM, and ZOOM is PRETENDING TO BE JAY GARRICK AND FAKING POWER LOSS. This would be a twist on how Reverse Flash killed Wells and absorbed his DNA and intellect and took his place in Season 1.

This is completely probable at this point. The guy in the iron mask opens the door for this revelation and it preserves the real Jay's reputation. I'm sure if this is true we will learn the real Jay is happily married to Joan Williams.

    OR: Hunter is ZOOM and Jay Garrick is indeed innocent. He is from Earth 1 and was hit by the particle blast and gained super speed but was also blasted to Earth 2 and perhaps was caught in THAT particle blast as well and thus became faster then Barry but also twisted and evil.

Hunter's a big unknown at this point but he has to figure into the equation of who Zoom is somehow or there would be no need to introduce him.

    ZOOM is Henry Allen of Earth 2: I'm keeping this on the table. They have pretty much integrated the 90's FLASH series in this episode by implying it is an alternate Earth. So perhaps Shipp will suit up for closes ups of an unmasked ZOOM and we get a stunt double in the suit the rest of the time. Shipp states he doesn't want to suit up again, but money talks and speaks loudly.

I had this idea originally but it was kind of a joke. There's no drama there really. Henry-2's life is way better than Henry-1's.

Now if they had given us a season of Henry acting strange I could see it.

What I think would be hilarious (well to me) is if Henry Allen found his way to Earth-2, killed his successful doppelganger and just took his place. He's not Zoom...he just killed the guy for his great life. (I'm totally stealing that idea from when Rusty Venture tried to bash his alternate reality doppelganger's head in with a rock so he could take his life)

    OR: ZOOM is a personification of SPEED FORCE energy from the particle explosion. Not ruling this out yet.

No drama though. There's got to be someone to gasp at when the mystery is revealed. Jay's the only one gasp worthy.

    OR: Earth 2 Wally West. On Earth 1 Wally loves things that are fast. Could his Earth 2 version be ZOOM?

I don't see it...but man did Earth-1 Wally do absolutely nothing in that recent episode.

    OR: Earth2 Eddie Thawne.......not likely but I'll keep the idea open for now.

Maybe Eddie is Earth-2 Reverse Flash?