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Subj: Re: Rethinking my ZOOM list a bit........
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 at 10:22:35 pm GMT (Viewed 263 times)
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 at 07:48:32 am GMT (Viewed 6 times)

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I've been recently rewatching season 2 from the start to the present.

I have seen many ideas that link Jay to being ZOOM or being in cahoots with ZOOM.

My blindspot to this idea is that I've always like the comic character Jay Garrick, he is the Golden Age Flash and I would hate to think that for this series he has been corrupted into a villain.

However stepping back a bit there are somethings that stick out a bit:

1. ZOOM and Jay were only seen together in the flashback that showed Jay getting allegedly drained of speed force by ZOOM and swept into the portal to Earth 1.


2. Jay has been training Barry to harness lightning but he also preaches caution to the point of cowardice. He has also refused to partake in the fight that Barry had with ZOOM that broke Barry's back for a few weeks.

3. Jay hates Velocity 6 and was loathe to use it to save Wells2.

4. We now have learned that Jay was using V6 to boost his powers but the results were a bit of a disaster and he states it was V6 and not ZOOM that depowered him and that V6 has damaged his DNA and he is dying.

5. Hunter Zolomon is apparently the Earth 1 version of Jay. Jay also states that Hunter's DNA isn't altered like his and thus couldn't cure him.

6. Jay tells Geomancer in their brief skirmish that Geomancer doesn't really want to see what would happen of Jay cut loose at full speed. Bravado or a hint that he is ZOOM?

7. Wells2 gives ZOOM some of Barry's speed force, ZOOM's hand looked a bit trembly...perhaps like a junkie or sick man needing their medicine?

8. The speed cannon and portal are damaged after Jay zaps them to Earth 2. The portal in STAR LABS is the only one left and it is closed until they fix the gear. We have Jay on Earth 1 and ZOOM is on Earth 2.

9. ZOOM has used the portals to travel, but does he really need them or can he alter his vibrational frequency and dimension jump on his own? if so then he'd use the portals to conserve power. However IF Zoom can travel dimensions without the portals, then ZOOM could appear on Earth 2 while still being Jay on Earth 1. This IS a big IF at the moment, more data is needed to see if ZOOM can dimension jump on his own.

10. Wells2 created ZOOM with the particle explosion which also powered up Jay.


IS Jay connected to ZOOM in some capacity?: Probable.

I have stated that ZOOM could be a molecular split from Jay Garrick similar to the Star Trek episode when the transporter split Kirk into good and evil. ZOOM gets more speed force then Jay and is unrestrained in its use but he wants more because he is only half a person. Jay wanted more speed for similar reasons. ZOOM could be draining Jay too fast for him to recharge unless he uses Velocity 6 to 9 to boost himself.

So IS Jay Garrick ZOOM? possible. However here is something to contemplate: Jay is NOT ZOOM......but ZOOM IS JAY...or rather I should say that Jay is either a prisoner of ZOOM or perhaps killed by ZOOM, and ZOOM is PRETENDING TO BE JAY GARRICK AND FAKING POWER LOSS. This would be a twist on how Reverse Flash killed Wells and absorbed his DNA and intellect and took his place in Season 1.

OR: Hunter is ZOOM and Jay Garrick is indeed innocent. He is from Earth 1 and was hit by the particle blast and gained super speed but was also blasted to Earth 2 and perhaps was caught in THAT particle blast as well and thus became faster then Barry but also twisted and evil.

ZOOM is Henry Allen of Earth 2: I'm keeping this on the table. They have pretty much integrated the 90's FLASH series in this episode by implying it is an alternate Earth. So perhaps Shipp will suit up for closes ups of an unmasked ZOOM and we get a stunt double in the suit the rest of the time. Shipp states he doesn't want to suit up again, but money talks and speaks loudly.

OR: ZOOM is a personification of SPEED FORCE energy from the particle explosion. Not ruling this out yet.

OR: Earth 2 Wally West. On Earth 1 Wally loves things that are fast. Could his Earth 2 version be ZOOM?

OR: Earth2 Eddie Thawne.......not likely but I'll keep the idea open for now.


I know I'm never going to change your mind, based on past experience, but I need to point out that Jay earlier in the season said Zoom drained him of his speed. It was NOT V-6. If Jay said it was V-6 (and I never heard him state as such in the latest episode), then it's a contradiction based on what was clearly established earlier in the season. It's one or the other not both and I choose to go for what was said earlier. Zoom drained Jay of his speed not V-6.

Earth-2 Henry can't be Zoom based on the fact he is still married to Nora on Earth-2. And why would a man beat someone to the point of death who looks exactly like his son? Simple answer, he wouldn't. There is no reason for Henry Allen of either Earth to be Zoom. For that reason, he is off the table but I know that won't be good enough for you and you'll still have him on your list even when there is zero evidence for it.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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