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Reverend Meteor

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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Subj: Re: Rethinking my ZOOM list a bit........
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 at 10:55:42 pm EST (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Rethinking my ZOOM list a bit........
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 at 10:01:21 pm EST (Viewed 276 times)




        I know I'm never going to change your mind, based on past experience, but I need to point out that Jay earlier in the season said Zoom drained him of his speed. It was NOT V-6. If Jay said it was V-6 (and I never heard him state as such in the latest episode), then it's a contradiction based on what was clearly established earlier in the season. It's one or the other not both and I choose to go for what was said earlier. Zoom drained Jay of his speed not V-6.


        No you're not going to change his mind because the episode backs up his point not yours. This episode Jay admitted he lied when he said Zoom drained his powers and that his current story is that his abuse of Velocity Six is what caused him to lose his powers. Now personally I feel this is more proof that the Jay we know is nothing but a liar and this could be just another lie. All we know for sure is that Zoom didn't drain Jay.

    After doing some checking to back up your claim here, I can confirm I am in the wrong here. My apologies. Apparently, I must have zoned out when Jay revealed he lost his powers to V-6 (which is really odd considering it was meant to make him faster).

    But Jay is far from being nothing but a liar. He did warn Team Flash about Zoom and he was right about that. And so far, there is no cure for Jay's condition and so far he's right about that. He also admitted he was too afraid to fight Zoom sometimes and he's right about that, otherwise Zoom may not be a problem had Jay been the hero he was supposed to be. I can go on and on but you get the point. Jay has his faults but he is far from being nothing but a liar.

And of course you already know my response. Jay has lied about everything and thus nothing he says can be taken at face value. He lied about how he lost his powers. He presumably knows Caitlin-2 is Killer Frost yet sits on the info (she doesn't even wear a mask)....he's very selective in what details he divulges about earth-2. When he's around weird equipment failures happen. He buddies up to Caitlin the person who always runs the tests on him. Both he and Zoom want to make Barry faster. Zoom siphons speed force and Jay is sickly supposedly because he needs speed force. He has an identical counterpart. That same identical counterpart Hunter is Zoom in the comics. Jay tries to keep Caitlin from pursuing looking into his double. Jay disappears for odd stretches of time yet knows no one on Earth-1 except the main cast.

Plus if the real Jay is somehow the guy in the iron mask Zoom is holding prisoner and Zoom is just a Jay imposter then Jay's reputation is restored.

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