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Subj: I already refuted this, but by all means, stick to something that is not plausible. *NT*
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 at 05:14:17 pm GMT (Viewed 236 times)
Reply Subj: RF survives because.......
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 at 09:21:51 am GMT (Viewed 5 times)

    Even though Eddie is dead, RF was time traveling and thus outside time and is at this point a walking temporal anomaly/paradox.

    Paradoxes have a tendency to be hard to impossible to resolve and temporal mechanics are indeed a pain.

    Yes by all rights logic would dictate that RF should have been erased when he emerged from the speed force. However there are some things:

    1. The ripple effect caused by Eddie's death and RF being erased is moving forward in time and has already passed through 2016 and moving forward in time slowly and inexorably.

    2. Back to the Future 2: the future didn't immediately change around Marty and Doc after Biff traveled back with the almanac, instead the change started with Biff himself. The pain and convulsions he was experiencing was similar to what Marty started to feel in BTTF1 as he started to fade on stage before his parents kissed. The time change was starting with Biff first then the ripple effect would take place and the future would twist and change. Doc and Marty avoid that and miss all the effects because they were time warping back to 1985 only to be in the alternate one.

    In Season 4 of the 90's Xmen there was a two parter where things changed because someone went back and killed a young Xavier. Bishop arrives to get help from the X-men but that part of time has already changed to the new timeline and they comment that they have to touch base with the time machine in the future so it can send them back to young Xavier's time, but if they don't hurry the time changes will hit the year they came from and all would be lost. The ripple effect, like throwing a stone in water slowly moving outward.

    3. Time and the past are resistant to change and while some things can change, you more then likely end up REVISING things so that things for the most part still occur with some revisions, the recent episode of Legends where Snart steals the emerald so that his father doesn't go to jail and become abusive. However his father then gets busted trying to sell it. minor revision, same outcome. All 13 known versions of the Doctor converge at the end of the Time War and revise the end so that Gallifrey isn't really nuked though it still looked to be destroyed and the Daleks still get devastated. Revised outcome but still similar.


    Thus RF will still end up in the past, still kill Nora, then still kill Wells and take his place and make the birth of the Flash and the meta humans happen a little bit sooner so that he can get the Speed Force back. These events HAVE happened, and MUST HAPPEN, ergo RF must still exist at this point as he must go back, now armed with some knowledge of what he will do and must do thanks to his talks with Team Flash and Wells2.

    Paradox. Unsolvable. Reverse Flash simply cannot NOT exist.

It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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