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Subj: Re: Arrow Season 1
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 01:01:24 pm EDT (Viewed 952 times)
Reply Subj: Arrow Season 1
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 at 10:03:04 pm EDT (Viewed 982 times)

    A) The island flashbacks were just as good if not better than what was going on in Star City. In Season 1 I really wanted to know “Just what did go down on that island that forged the rather ‘soft’ Oliver into the Vigilante?” Also Slade Wilson and Shado were interesting characters in and of themselves.

That's because in season 1, the showrunners had a plan for the flashbacks and a reason for their existence. Season 2 continued that trend but the flashbacks lost their focus from season 3 onward.

I agree season 1 had so much mystery and it was a lot of fun to watch. Season 2 upped the ante and put Oliver in a world of superhumans. And that right there is the primary reason why I believe Nolan's Batman COULD have worked in the Snyderverse. I NEVER believed in the hogwash that people keep claiming that he wouldn't work in a world of super powered people due to how ultra realistic Nolan's Batman was. All you have to do is dump Mr. Ultra realistic in a world of superhumans and he'd work just fine. The first season had a very ultra realistic tone and I could almost believe a man with no powers could do everything (or most everything) that Oliver did in the first season. And then season 2 came along and Oliver had to adapt just as Nolan's Batman would have to adapt. So, yeah, not only COULD it have worked, we have solid proof in the Arrow season 1 going to season 2 that it WOULD work.

But in the end, Christian Bale should consider himself lucky. If I had played Batman in the Nolan films and after watching the mess Snyder created, I'd be glad someone else is wearing the cowl.

For me, everyone close to Oliver knowing who he was didn't break the suspense for me. After I've watched countless shows where a secret identity is kept and watching that played out season after season, it was refreshing to see that didn't happen on the Arrow. When it was time to reveal Oliver's identity to someone who "should" know, I was fine with it. I'm glad the showrunners didn't dance around the secret identity thing an overly long period of time to those who are closest to Oliver.

    My conclusion is that the genie is out of the bottle on this one and there can be no going back to when Oliver had to lead a double life and constantly run the risk of being found out.

Unless the entire population of Star City knows Oliver is Green Arrow, I say the risk is still there.

    Not all shows Jump the Shark, and Arrow is still worth watching but for me it has degraded from the place it started out at. Heading into Season 6 I have hopes that the show can be revived to its former greatness, but I have to admit I will be surprised if it can be.

For me, the show degraded very, very rapidly going into season 3. Olicity ruined the show for me as a relationship coming out of left field and was shoved down our throats as something legit and believable when it was not. And then when the showrunners had the perfect opportunity to fix that huge mistake, what did they do? Instead of killing off Felicity like they SHOULD have done, they killed off one of the best characters in the show...Laurel. To add even further insult, they are bringing back the actress in season 6 but not the same character.

Outside of the Dominator Invasion Crossover, I haven't seen a single episode of Arrow since Arrow season 4 after it was revealed Felicity was not the one in the grave. I have zero faith Arrow can pick up the pieces and improve.

And then there's the fact he has TOO MANY SIDEKICKS! When searching for news on the Flash and Black Lightning, I come across news on the Arrow. So, I've learned Arrow has (aside from Diggle, Felicity & Thea), Fake Mr. Terrific, Wild Dog and Dinah Drake (Fake Canary). Worse, the last two I named have been promoted to season 6 regulars. With so many sidekicks, I've just gotta wonder how much of Green Arrow we'll actually see now that the spotlight has to be shared with SO MANY CHARACTERS. Sheesh, might as well call this show TEAM ARROW instead of just Arrow. It's basically all it's turned into at this point. A team show and not a show about the man who it's SUPPOSED to be about: Oliver Queen. \(no\) \(no\)

It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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