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Grey Gargoyle

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Menshevik

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Subj: Enchantress (1964-1984)
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 at 05:26:52 am EST (Viewed 377 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Stan's Avengers: Kooky quartet and after (#16-34) (with Addendum re. Grey Gargoyle's post)
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 at 06:33:06 pm EST (Viewed 311 times)



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    The analogy only works with some aspects of their personality, but not their powers (after all, both Cap and Hawkeye are practically normal human beings with no real superpowers


I first thought about it when I noticed that the team was reduced to a quartet, Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch happened to be brother & sister and the teammates bickered among themselves. In my view, when the team started, Stan Lee had assigned a role to each member of the team:
- Captain America: the leader
- Hawkeye: the challenger of authority
- Quicksilver: the hot-blooded guy
- Scarlet Witch: the girl enamored with the leader

It facilitated a dynamic interaction between the members of the team.

Still, fortunately, there are differences and it didn't follow the same evolution than the FF. I didn't want to imply that the Kooky Quartet is a FF ripoff.


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    (Note that in both cases the singular female member becomes the love interest of a Reed Richards analogue - this is something that did not happen with the Kooky Quartet).

No but Wanda would have wanted it to happen, lol.



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    I'm trying to remember when it was established in-story that Rama-Tut was Kang. Can you help?

In his 1st appearance (Avengers #8).
Actually, Kang, Trapster & Hank Pym might be among the very few characters who changed their moniker during the Silver Age.




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    Yeah, well they didn't have an awful lot of female superheroes and supervillains in the 1960s, so she had to make do, especially as the Avengers already used two former supervillainesses (Wanda and Natasha). Amora was pretty much the only one supervillainess of note left, wasn't she?


Yes, she is one of the few supervillainesses of note of the Silver Age.
Whitney Frost only appeared in 1968 and Madame Hydra in 1969.
Scarlet Witch, Black Widow & Medusa all redeemed themselves.
Princess Python remained a secondary antagonist.
Madame X and Madam Macabre remained obscure characters.


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    Don't think the Enchantress really was that important. In most of her early Avengers appearances she deferred to Baron Zemo (an archvillain manqué, given that he was killed in the final appearance of his version of the Masters of Evil in Avengers #15) and after the 1960s she mostly worked as a Thor villain. And all in all I'd say Loki was more important (after all, his activities got the Avengers started in the first place).


Given her career during the 1960s, I consider that Enchantress was one of the most prominent Marvel supervillainesses from 1964 to 1984. After that, not so much ...

Loki didn't appear a lot in the Avengers book in the Silver, Bronze & Copper Ages (except during the Avengers/Defenders War). Actually, he only cared about the Throne of Asgard and not so much about the superhero teams on Earth.

In the Avengers book, the Enchantress was one of the powerhouses on the other side of the board, first against Thor then against Wanda. She was not the leader of a team but she remained with the other supervillains because it suited her fancy. At first, she was motivated by her unreasonable obsession to seduce Thor but after that she continued to behave as a supervillainess, even creating Power Man in the process. She appeared in key issues such as Avengers Annual 1 and Avengers #100.

In the Bronze Age, she remained a main opponent of the Avengers (most notably in Avengers #83) and also became an important antagonist of the Defenders (she was the opposite number of Valkyrie).
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/avengers_83.shtml
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/defenders_4.shtml

In the Copper Age, she became the recurring nemesis of the mutant Dazzler.
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/dazzler_1.shtml
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/dazzler_2.shtml
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/dazzler_16.shtml

She was the main supervillainess appearing in Secret Wars.




After 1984, she became a bit less prominent.

In my opinion, she was slowly replaced by Morgan Le Fay and Selene in her role as "evil goddess of witchcraft". Morgan Le Fay & Selene had already appeared in comics before 1984 but, back then, Enchantress was the most recurring Marvel character fitting that role.

Also, Walt Simonson decided to use her as a secondary protagonist in the Thor book and no longer as a supervillainess


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