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Magni_Thorson

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zvelf

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Subj: Re: Thor Ragnarok Comments (w Spoilers)
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 04:21:37 pm EST (Viewed 148 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Thor Ragnarok Comments (w Spoilers)
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 at 11:11:07 am EST (Viewed 164 times)

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    This is a mythology and Stan was just one storyteller in a shared mythos and a company he hasn't run for 40+ years. Stan Lee was a co-creator with Jack Kirby and Jack was the creative guy.


First you're proven wrong about what Stan said, so then you dismiss Stan Lee when his opinion doesn't match up with yours? That takes some gall. You can post links to random people on the internet for their opinions that you've selected, but I'll take Stan Lee's opinion over any of them because he CREATED both characters.



Actually if you have ever read any of the interviews with Jack and Roz Kirby, Jack created the Hulk fron an inspiration of a woman who saved her child by lifting a car off of her and the concept of Frankenstein. It was also Jack who named him the Hulk. There is plenty of reading on Jack getting the shaft on all of the creative property that Jack lost through a fee for service agreement with Marvel.

A nice summation of who created what at Marvel.

http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/ff_Lee-Kirby.html

As far as links, Thor 64 linked the one video of Stan introducing a Thor cartoon about a character he gets credited creating that was really Jack Kirby's invention more than Stan's. Some time it's better to be a businemssman and public relations guru than an artist. It certainly pays more.

In any event it doesn't matter, these characters or pop culture mythology the same way Greek are Norse gods are and it really depends on the storytelling through the ages that define them. Even one of the greatest fanatsy forces in history JRRT was revising his own works until he defined changing the number and power of Balrogs, family lineages, adding and removing individuals from his Middle Earth legendarium. And Stan Lee is no JRRT and about every writer and author that has followed has been more talented artistically. For the Hulk, he really has been defined as the Strongest One There Is over the years, not necessarily the most powerful. And while you may discredit some of the links I provided, one chronicled every issue they have ever fought in and I hate to tell you Hulk came out on top or stalemated almost every time. So blame Defalco or Machio or Brevoort and any of the editors or creators through the years but that is the way it is.

If you want to ignore the comics and use the cinematic universe, it wasn't "We have a Thor", that Tony informed Loki when he said he had the Chitauri army it was "We have a Hulk." And there are various other examples. Even in Raganarok when they were figuring out how to get off the planet, Loki suggest they unleash the Beast.

I guess you could just burn the 15 or so comic issues where they have fought so you can ignore the outcomes.


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