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zvelf

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Superboy-Prime

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Subj: Re: Justice League (spoilers) Superman regins while the Hulk falls.
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 at 01:55:46 pm EST (Viewed 313 times)
Reply Subj: Justice League (spoilers) Superman regins while the Hulk falls.
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 at 11:47:31 am EST (Viewed 487 times)



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    As everyone knows I'm pro-Hulk and pro-Marvel. But I loved how Superman was portrayed in the new Justice League movie! Regardless of what you thought of the the movie itself, when Superman came back he kicked ass. He established himself as the top-dog and kicked the crap out of everyone... including Wonder Woman (which was refreshing). No assuming and no questions asked, he is the most powerful.


Superman was winning against Wonder Woman, but she never looked like she was beaten. She was also likely holding back a lot more than he was during their fight. And insofar as the movie makes Superman look more powerful than the entire Justice League, that's poor storytelling. Why do you need the team then if you have Superman? It cheapens all the other characters. Furthermore, this movie was just one showing of Superman. In Man of Steel, he was struggling to hold up an oil rig tower and it falling on him knocked him out briefly.


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    The Hulk has never shown to get madder and stronger in the Marvel movies and has been beaten up by the Abomination in the incredible Hulk


I think it's pretty clear that Hulk went on to win that fight because he got madder and stronger.


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    Iron Man in Avengers 2


By an Iron Man in a specially built Hulkbuster suit that could replenish its damaged parts. One can argue Hulkbuster Iron Man would have won anyway, but Hulk was knocked out by a sucker punch to end it so not a completely clean win.


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    Hardly, the strongest one there is.


Well, that's your fault for falling for a marketing phrase. Yes, perhaps with enough rage Hulk can come close to being the strongest one there is, but even in the comics, his normal strength level doesn't remotely put him there.


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    And it was even worst when he couldn't even beat Fenris (it was a waterfall) and Surtur (not even a moment of power).


Hulk did beat Fenris via battlefield removal. As for Surtur, of course once Surtur was powered up, Hulk wasn't going to win, but it wasn't even a battle. It was just an exchange of two blows, so this doesn't make sense as a complaint.


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    He's a beat bag and NOT an accurate portrayal of my favorite hero.


Hulk and Thor fans both get too tied up in showings and feats such that almost nothing will satisfy them. Thor: Ragnarok finally satisified Thor fans in this respect but neither of the first two films did even though Thor defeated the Destroyer, destroyed a huge portion of Jotunheim, and was fighting an Infinity Stone wielder evenly. Hulk shined in both Avengers and Age of Ultron from a dramatic point of view, but Hulk fans are still not satisfied. Hulk one-shots a Chitauri Leviathan, rag dolls the main villain Loki, and saves Iron Man in The Avengers. In Age of Ultron, Hulk again gets the finishing blow on the main villain Ultron by tossing Ultron out of a Quinjet. Scarlet Witch rips the heart out of that body, but Ultron was already defeated at that point. The only time Hulk has encountered anyone in the MCU who unequivocally looked like he was getting the better of Hulk is Thor. That's not a bad record.




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