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Subj: The 2 Timelines in Immortal Hulk.
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 at 01:00:42 pm CDT (Viewed 200 times)
Reply Subj: Immortal Hulk 0 and 37.
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 at 12:42:36 pm CDT (Viewed 289 times)

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Immortal Hulk 0 (Ewing’s 8 pages of framing sequence).

First 2 pages take place before 312 reprint. Shows Brian Banner at a gravesite. Digs up Glow by his wife’s headstone.

Next 2 pages are before the Minus 1 reprint. Brian crushes Glow in his hands after blaming Bruce (who isnt present) for wife’s death. And “Stan Lee” gravedigger shows up.

Final 4 pages, Brian remebers he’s dead. “Stan Lee” is revealed to be Sam Sterns who then changes into his Leader form. Brian is being killed by him in the same way Brian killed Rebecca. A fate he will seem to have to repeat for the rest of eternity.

Immortal Hulk 37-Leader is controlling 3 beings. I will put quotes around the characters real names when indicating Leader is in control.

The First (literally) one he controls is “Del Frye”. “Frye” attacks Samson and kills him. Samson is in the Below-Place where he sees The Leader there communicating/controlling Green Doors and 3 beings. Leader reveals he has turned Samson’s Green Door Red. Which means that Samson cannot return to life while its Red. While it lets us the reader know that Hulk/Bruce could be in real trouble if they get killed and Leader turns their door Red.

Hulk fights Gamma Creel. And Titania figures out something is up with “Rick”. “Rick” gets translocated away from the battlefield by an unsuspecting McGowan. Puck takes aim at Savage Hulk with an extremely powerful gun. Puck shoots thru Hulk’s hand, chest and head. Killing him instantly. In the mindscape we see a “dead” or out Savage Hulk. Leaning over him is The Green Scar. Who is shown to be the third being Leader is controlling. Which may have surprised some but not this astute reader! Lol. Thanks Joe Bennett IG page for the preview art months back.

All in all, this was one of the best days reading new Hulk comics! The art in both issues were just tremendous. Matt’s painterly style was just spectacular. I actually like his painted Hulk more than Alex Ross’. Was just his Hulk on the cover unfortunately. But you can tell he has a great version.

Issue 25 showed knowledge from 10 billion years into the Future being sent back and attained by The Leader. So The Future-Knowledged (F-K) Leader is THE touchstone and where the first timeline diverges. We know from issue 34 that this F-K Leader appears shortly after Brian failed in issue 13. And we now know from issue 0 that a 4th being Leader controlled was in fact Brian. And “Brian’s” dialogue from issue 0 lines up perfectly to when he welcomed Bruce “home” in issue 20. So issue 20 is the first time F-K Leader affected what we were reading. So I mark the timeline divergent there.

Timeline 1-
Issues 1-19. End of All Things in issues 20 and 24. And issue 25. The current timeline stories that occured after issue 19, we did not see. Basically from issue 19 to the next 2 billion years. When TOBA/Hulk mentions he killed Franklin 2 billion years ago.

Timeline 2-
Issues 1-50 OR 20-50 (1-19 is same for BOTH timelines so doesnt really matter which one you pick for this period. You do have to Minus out the End of All Things in issues 20 and 24 and issue 25 from this timeline tho. We are reading Timeline 2 exclusively from the point F-K Leader diverged it is my basic point. Which is issue 20 (so far). Ewing may show him going further back so I then would need to adjust it.

“This world is a maze of money and power. In which human beings lose themselves. They live their lives in the Labyrinth... ...and I am The Minotaur.”—Immortal Hulk #26
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