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Gamma Ra

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Subj: Re: Al Ewing's run ultimately made me realize how much I miss Greg Pak.
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    Now you're just reaching my friend. These energies have been talked about by those cosmic beings at some point, and in the early days of Marvel, Hulk was considered a universal threat by some of these higher beings.

I'm not reaching at all as that is exactly how Marvel has historically used the term "cosmic".   

If cosmic simply referred to highly energized interstellar protons moving at near light speed it wouldn't give Marvel's cosmic energy the ability to manipulate souls, time, gravity, gamma energy, etc.  

Marvel CLEARLY uses "cosmic" in its classical sense, not in the sense of Hess' cosmic rays.  

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Here's a definition for you...

Gamma rays have the smallest wavelengths and the most energy of any wave in the electromagnetic spectrum. They are produced by the hottest and most energetic objects in the universe, such as neutron stars and pulsars, supernova explosions, and regions around black holes.

All these energies, cosmic and gamma, exist outside of earth's atmosphere.
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As I've shown I am well aware of what our definition of a cosmic ray is.  I am also aware of what a gamma ray is.  

However, why would Victor Hess' arbitrary word selection matter to a metaphysical being older than time?    

Hess called his rays "cosmic" because simply because they were not of earth.    That's it.  

If you doubt this look up the history of scientific debate in the early 1900s revolving around the source of atmospheric electricity.  
Many thought it was caused  by radiation emitted from the earth but Hess proved the radiation came from outside of the atmosphere hence the decision to call them "cosmic" -- meaning of the universe. 

Hess could have very easily called his discovery extraterrestrial rays and it would have had zero impact on the classical definition of cosmic.   

FYI, gamma rays were discovered in 1903 by studying radiation emitted by radium.  A terrestrial source.   
The discovery of extraterrestrial gamma rays came later.  

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And again, as far as energies are concerned, Marvelly written, only gamma and Ghost Riders have been said to be unlimited or boundless. Give me an instant of a cosmic being being said to have no limit.
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Seriously?  Many, many times.  

An easy example off of the top of my head is that Celestials have been described by Kubik as "trans-infinite" i.e. operating on a higher level of infinity than their own level of infinite power.  
Kubik then went on to name the Celestials as only one set of the "great powers of the universe" which also included Eternity, Galactus, Living Tribunal and the usual assortment of cosmic beings who also presumably operate on a similar "higher infinity". 

I would definitely categorize trans-infinite as unlimited.  
Perhaps even more unlimited than unlimited.  

 






I don't know if the board is acting up, but I can't seem to respond to your thread using the quote function.

Marvel's use of the term cosmic is pretty much the same as science's. The difference is that in this fictional world, it can give a character super powers. But generally speaking, they are thought of in terms as the same energies in the real world.

It was you that bought Victor Hess into the conversation. But fact of the matter is that the reason Marvel Comics has a term called "cosmic rays" is because of him.

FYI This is what science today knows of Gamma Rays...

https://youtu.be/rYVUhSloDfc


This is a better Clip. Gamma rays are a form of cosmic energy. ..
https://youtu.be/IpuVnqYIgbo






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