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Subj: Re: Al Ewing's run ultimately made me realize how much I miss Greg Pak.
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 at 05:57:05 pm EST (Viewed 105 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Al Ewing's run ultimately made me realize how much I miss Greg Pak.
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 at 05:29:57 pm EST (Viewed 101 times)
Yes the board is acting up that's why I resorted to color coding quotes.
I don't know if the board is acting up, but I can't seem to respond to your thread using the quote function.
Marvel's use of the term cosmic is pretty much the same as science's. The difference is that in this fictional world, it can give a character super powers. But generally speaking, they are thought of in terms as the same energies in the real world.
It was you that bought Victor Hess into the conversation. But fact of the matter is that the reason Marvel Comics has a term called "cosmic rays" is because of him.
FYI This is what science today knows of Gamma Rays...
I disagree that Marvel's use of cosmic is the same as science's, at least consistently.
I think that's demonstrably false in the majority of cases.
For example the "Power Cosmic" clearly ISN'T referring to science's cosmic rays.
It's referring to grandiose, vast, otherworldly, universal power.
Point being that if Hess named his rays Extraterrestrial Rays instead of Cosmic Rays we still would not have Galactus talking about his Power Extraterrestrial or Celestials using Extraterrestrial energy.
I think it's kind of glaringly obvious they are using cosmic in the classical sense in these instances.
On the other hand the cosmic rays that struck the Fantastic Four were probably intended to be real world cosmic rays, at least originally.
My point is that I don't think Ewing is necessarily out of line with his depiction of the relationship between cosmic and gamma energy IF he interprets cosmic in the classical sense, and I think he would have a very strong leg to stand on with a boat-load of continuity to reference if he argued it that way.
I can absolutely see where he was coming from in spite of being familiar with the science of both cosmic and gamma rays.
I was the one to first state that the terminology is the same in comics and the real world, it's just that the comics fictionalize the effects.
Although MC fictionalize the effects of these energies, the name term "cosmic" is based on the dictionary definition. Marvel tends to use real world scientific terms, whereas DC was the company that came up with its own fictional energy sources.
The point I was making wasn't geared towards Ewing only, but Marvel in general. Cosmic on a real world scientific level does not trump Gamma in terms of energy output, as the two clips I posted above show. It's just weird Science writers come up with. Gamma is just a more powerful force than anything known.
I'll look into Kubik in terms of his power being unlimited. Here's Stan Lee and John Romita Jr speaking on how Hulk's power works. This is Marvel comics Gamma power, not cosmic.
He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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