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Subj: Re: Al Ewing's run ultimately made me realize how much I miss Greg Pak.
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 at 07:07:29 am EST (Viewed 133 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Al Ewing's run ultimately made me realize how much I miss Greg Pak.
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      I was the one to first state that the terminology is the same in comics and the real world, it's just that the comics fictionalize the effects.Although MC fictionalize the effects of these energies, the name term "cosmic" is based on the dictionary definition. Marvel tends to use real world scientific terms, whereas DC was the company that came up with its own fictional energy sources.
      The point I was making wasn't geared towards Ewing only, but Marvel in general. Cosmic on a  real world scientific level does not trump Gamma in terms of energy output, as the two clips I posted above show. It's just weird Science writers come up with. Gamma is just a more powerful force than anything known.



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      I'll look into Kubik in terms of his power being unlimited. Here's Stan Lee and John Romita Jr speaking on how Hulk's power works. This is Marvel comics Gamma power, not cosmic.
      https://youtu.be/HGI1_rAoYPM



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    See the thing is the word cosmic is hundreds of years old with etymological roots tracing back millennia to ancient Greek.
    Hess called his discovery “cosmic rays” because of the dictionary definition of cosmic which already existed.
    Cosmic rays didn’t define the word cosmic, cosmic rays were called cosmic rays because they were of the cosmos as opposed to of the earth.


I don't have a disagreement with this point.


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    What I’m saying is that “cosmic” in Marvel is largely used in the classical sense and not always (or even usually) referring specifically to cosmic rays.


If you're agreeing with the fact that by "classical" you mean the term "cosmic" means universe, then I must state this is the point I was making. Marvel is using real world terminology to describe its fictional universe.

But I disagree with you in that there use of "cosmic rays" is also in accord with the real world's term. It just has super human results at times.


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    You keep sticking on this comparison between cosmic and gamma rays but I’m arguing that “cosmic” has a larger and older meaning than cosmic rays specifically.
    Marvel writers know this and use the term accordingly.


You're totally missing my initial point then. My entire argument is based on the fact that gamma waves, in the real world, are more powerful than any other cosmic ray or energy.


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    Power Cosmic - cosmic is being used in the classical sense
    Cosmic entity/being - cosmic is being used in the classical sense
    Fantastic Four’s original cosmic rays - is referring to actual cosmic rays



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    No, cosmic in the classical sense means vast, universal in scope…cosmic in the classical sense is greater than gamma radiation alone because gamma is only one aspect of a greater cosmic landscape.



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    If we’re referring specifically to cosmic rays vs gamma rays then yes gamma rays have more energy.



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    Cosmic does not equal cosmic rays in Marvel terminology, it can but it is an incorrect assumption to assume is always does.


I didn't say that. I stated that cosmos means the universe, and cosmic rays are part of the electromagnetic spectrum.


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By that vague of a definition though, gamma as well would be a subset of "cosmic" energies, as indeed Ewing showed both originate from the same source in the end.

And it tracks that entities of an abstract nature partake of the power balance between the forces they embody, so the Power Cosmic we have so far seen is not limited to traditional "cosmic rays". Indeed we have often seen Surfer or major gods manipulate both gamma and cosmic before. Magic is kind of a third pole, as it behaves in its own way when interacting with both, while Gamma and Cosmic are mostly "scientific" but the higher you go in the abstract territory  the more blurred the lines become between the scientific and the magical.

I guess this is just a semantic game to keep the illusion that gamma is more powerful than cosmic, while from what Ewing showed us it's just a balanced coin. Gamma is more destructive in nature, Cosmic is just as potentially powerful in opposing destruction/creating though.

Of course both can be used to punch/explode something very very hard if the story needed them to.




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