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The Mandarin

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Subj: Re: Why I've always liked Iron Man
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 at 01:43:13 pm EST (Viewed 232 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Why I've always liked Iron Man
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 at 09:05:50 pm EST (Viewed 281 times)

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      The character has been missing something for a long time and maybe the constant threat of cardiac arrest is precisely that something he's been missing.

    No. People care about movie Stark avenging Yinsen and saving those villagers. They care about him saving Pepper. The heart is trivial. In fact, the only moment in the movie where it was cool at all, was as a plot-device to get Stark to reveal that Pepper is the only person he trusts completely when he asks her to help him install his new heart gizmo. There's a reason the movie people eventually disposed of it entirely.

They didn't get rid of the heart gizmo until the very end (literally the last few seconds) of the very last film.

But more importantly, while I completely agree with your overall assessment that movie Stark is awesome and in some ways is an improvement over comic book Stark, I don't necessarily think movie Stark is the gold standard by which all should be measured. The original Silver Age Stark was compelling also - and one of his defining characteristics was his need to keep the armor charged up so his heart wouldn't fail. This meant that every time he went into battle he was doubly risking his life, first because the villain might overpower him, and secondly because the fight might drain too much power from his armor and he might die before managing to recharge. This was heroism to the highest degree.

    They've already done this repeatedly, and done it in regular continuity. Civil War, the Tom Taylor run, the whole thing with the universe ending and Stark being outright said to embody death.

Those stories were awful and miss the whole point of the "What If" stories I proposed. The "What If" stories would serve to underscore how terrific Tony and Stephen are, because despite having the potential for great evil, they instead chose the path of great good. Civil War and those other horrible stories completely ignore the whole essence of Tony and his conversion experience. They present Tony as if he was still walking on the dark side.

Meanwhile, I remember reading at least a portion of this:
Iron Maniac

    There already is a character who embodies Stark's worse traits magnified to the point of outright depravity: he's named The Mandarin. I'm sick of Stark stealing the Mandarin's job.

I'm not interested in Stark as a villain, not even in a What If. I'm sick of it. I want Stark to stop stealing The Mandarin's job.

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