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The Mandarin

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Grey Gargoyle

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Subj: No, it's specificially China
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 11:03:14 pm EST (Viewed 235 times)
Reply Subj: IMO, Disney/Marvel is worried about the impact on the Asian market as a whole
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 at 05:34:57 am EST (Viewed 273 times)

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    Is this really a real thing? I mean, has anyone, any group or even the Chinese government ever expressed itself negatively about it

I don't think that the Chinese government cares about Marvel's Mandarin. I would be very surprised if they know that he exists.

Still, it is true that they have a tendency to censor what they don't like. Currently, their main problem is the portrayal of the CPC in movies. They are also very anxious about any reference to the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 or anything involving Tibet, Xinjiang or the criticism of the political system.
But, of course, it is highly possible that they would react to a Mandarin villain in an American blockbuster.

    Or is it just the case for writers or filmmakers being overzealous about it?

In my opinion, the producers are afraid that, if there is an Asian villain vs an American hero in an American blockbuster, they will lose the entirety of the Asian market.
Asia accounts for about 56% of the world population.
China accounts for about 18% of the world population (2 persons over 11 on the planet).
Not only that but there is currently a wave of nationalism & xenophobia among some of the Han of Continental China (contrary to the Han of Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan, Singapore and the overseas diaspora who are more open-minded).
People quickly ban a product whenever they consider that they are offended or think that it is against their idea of patriotism.
(NB : of course, they are not the only ones in the world who do that)


    Yes, no doubt in the beginning he was an example of the "Yellow Peril" cliché. But as has been mentioned here on this board recently, there have already been attempts to get him away from it.

    We had the crime boss version Gene Khan, wearing a suit. We had as well, the Dave & Bob’s version, that is quite similar and still has the bonus of giving him a suit of armor. And we had yet another suit-wearing version that appeared during the Knaufs run.

    None of these versions lasted long, but if they had lasted and were developed, would the problem have ceased to exist?

Much more than the characteristics of the character, I think that the problem is the name itself :
- Chinese Mandarin is the main language of China.
- Mandarin means Chinese bureaucrat.
- Mandarin also evokes the past of China, before the Revolution, and, thus, the "Century of humiliation" (I don't like the term but that's how it is named).

You can have Japanese ninja and Mongolian hordes and even have Rambo run around Vietnam if you like, but no Chinese villains. Not even bit players like the guy in "Batman: the Dark Knight" or that Chinese pirate in the third "Pirates of the Caribean". The Chinese dictatorship is just completely nuts. These are people who organ-harvest the Falun Gong for cheap transplants. Make no mistake, that government is Nazi-level evil. Their censorship of movies is by far the least of their crimes.

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