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AskaniGrey

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little kon-el

Subj: Re: I think it has to do with Superman being Super and Batman being a man...
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 06:47:14 pm EST
Reply Subj: I think it has to do with Superman being Super and Batman being a man...
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 02:47:39 pm EST

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> > I was thinkin earlier about Clark's whole aversion to killing for any
> > reason and it just seemed wrong. He and Bruce both feel it's taking
> > the easy way out to kill an enemy and there are other ways to solve
> > problems, which obviously holds some weight and is understandable, but
> > in light of the whole Max Lord Sacrifice arc, you would think they
> > would side with Diana for doing what she did. It's not like
> > disagreeing with the death penalty, which takes into account jury
> > error, appeals and corruption. The stuff the characters deal with is
> > pretty cut and dry. Is there any reason why the World's Finest should
> > never kill? The Phantom Zone obviously ain't doin the job. Ask Zod,
> > Non and Ursa. If they really wanna be heroes, the greater good may
> > call for a suspension of their personal moral fibers.
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> My opinion will always be that a moral code that includes never killing is not a moral code worth having. Simply put, quite often there are not other ways to solve problems. This is especially true when dealing with supervillains.
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Superman's morality is derived from the fact that he can easily kill...en masse. If anyone's read Miracleman, you can confirm that a person with Superman-like powers that has no moral code against killing is a frightening prospect. If you read the latest All Star Superman, it pretty much encapsulates his moral code....even if you're stronger than most, that means you have to hold yourself up to a higher code of honor. Just because it's easy to harm another, doesn't mean you should. And other stuff like that. Superman is superhuman, so he believes that his powers are a responsibility he must accept and hold himself higher than others who may kill.

Batman, on the other hand, had his life drastically changed by the death of his parents. He won't kill because their deaths affected him so much. If you saw someone die violently, you may think twice about killing another person.

- little kon-el

> Superman's morality is derived from the fact that he can easily kill...en masse. If anyone's read Miracleman, you can confirm that a person with Superman-like powers that has no moral code against killing is a frightening prospect. If you read the latest All Star Superman, it pretty much encapsulates his moral code....even if you're stronger than most, that means you have to hold yourself up to a higher code of honor. Just because it's easy to harm another, doesn't mean you should. And other stuff like that. Superman is superhuman, so he believes that his powers are a responsibility he must accept and hold himself higher than others who may kill.
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> Batman, on the other hand, had his life drastically changed by the death of his parents. He won't kill because their deaths affected him so much. If you saw someone die violently, you may think twice about killing another person.


That's cool, but when Superman is so vulnerable against magic and mind control and things that cause far worse destruction than he does, why does he let a threat come back over and over to harm the innocent because he won't kill? Lex Luthor is one thing. He's more a nuisance than a terrorist. Mxyptlk too. But think of Kyber, or Max Lord, or Doomsday and the havoc they can wreak because they get to hang around.

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> - little kon-el