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Zeorun

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BlakGard

Subj: Re: I think it has to do with Superman being Super and Batman being a man...
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 10:34:14 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: I think it has to do with Superman being Super and Batman being a man...
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 03:27:18 am EST

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> > > I was thinkin earlier about Clark's whole aversion to killing for
> > > any reason and it just seemed wrong. He and Bruce both feel it's
> > > taking the easy way out to kill an enemy and there are other ways
> > > to solve problems, which obviously holds some weight and is
> > > understandable, but in light of the whole Max Lord Sacrifice arc,
> > > you would think they would side with Diana for doing what she did.
> > > It's not like disagreeing with the death penalty, which takes into
> > > account jury error, appeals and corruption. The stuff the
> > > characters deal with is pretty cut and dry. Is there any reason
> > > why the World's Finest should never kill? The Phantom Zone
> > > obviously ain't doin the job. Ask Zod, Non and Ursa. If they
> > > really wanna be heroes, the greater good may call for a suspension
> > > of their personal moral fibers.
> >
> > My opinion will always be that a moral code that includes never
> > killing is not a moral code worth having. Simply put, quite often
> > there are not other ways to solve problems. This is especially true
> > when dealing with supervillains.
>
> Superman's morality is derived from the fact that he can easily
> kill...en masse. If anyone's read Miracleman, you can confirm that a
> person with Superman-like powers that has no moral code against
> killing is a frightening prospect. If you read the latest All Star
> Superman, it pretty much encapsulates his moral code....even if you're
> stronger than most, that means you have to hold yourself up to a
> higher code of honor. Just because it's easy to harm another, doesn't
> mean you should. And other stuff like that. Superman is superhuman,
> so he believes that his powers are a responsibility he must accept and
> hold himself higher than others who may kill.

Yes, well, in my opinion, to have such a moral code makes you morally unsound. There are many, many people that deserve nothing less than death, because even the fact that they exist is harmful to others. In such cases, the only responsible thing to do is destroy them. I'm not asking for en masse killing, but the #1 reason I cannot stomach Superman as a character is because he doesn't kill enough.

> Batman, on the other hand, had his life drastically changed by the
> death of his parents. He won't kill because their deaths affected him
> so much. If you saw someone die violently, you may think twice about
> killing another person.

Real-life proves to me that this is seldom, if ever, true. As someone who lost a parent through violence, I can tell you that given the chance, I'd kill the people that killed my father with my bare hands, then use their bodies to study anatomy. And it's been shown in studies that witnessing violence usually has the opposite affect, making them not think twice about harming/killing another person. The one thing I give to Bats is that he has such a strong willpower to resist this. Still, he should, on occasion, kill, because it's the right thing to do.
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> Yes, well, in my opinion, to have such a moral code makes you morally unsound. There are many, many people that deserve nothing less than death, because even the fact that they exist is harmful to others.

And now for a paraprhased quote!

"There are many that live that deserve death, and there are many that die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Do not be too quick to deal in death and judgement, for even the very wise cannot see all ends."

My opinion? No one person should ever be allowed to pass judgement on someone. Whether or not someone lives or dies in not your call. Especially in Superman's case. He's the most powerful being on that earth and is looked up to and idolized. If he starts to kill because *he* feels it's warranted, then that makes him no better than Luthor. The ends do not justify the means.

As for Batman I have another quote!

"Valuing life is not weakness. And disregarding it is not strenght."

Batman may not be the big role model, but he isn't narrow minded enough to think there's only one way to solve a problem.

And Wonder Woman? While I don't agree with her decesion, I have to admit, there probably was no other solution. Sure they could have erased Lord's memory, but then there's Identity Crisis which addresses that. Well then, they could have a telepath put psychic blocks or some such nonsense on Lord, preventing him from ever controlling Superman. But I'm sure she's realized over the years that villains are nothing if not creative.




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