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BlakGard

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Zeroun

Subj: Re: I think it has to do with Superman being Super and Batman being a man...
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 05:25:35 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: I think it has to do with Superman being Super and Batman being a man...
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 01:17:24 pm EST

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> Seriously, that's bleeding-heart claptrap. Each of us, as a part of society, has the duty to take lives to protect lives.

Quotes are fun!
"Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity."

Sorry, had to be said. However, had you read what I wrote thoroughly, you'll note that I said that the choice should be no one persons choice, at least in the sense of passing judgement. If it's in self defense that's a different case alltogether...If there is no other option. If some guy has you pinned down and is going to kill you you could A) Kill him first or B) disable him in some way. Knee him in the balls punch him into unconciousness, whatever.

>Killing is not bad, in and of itself,

lol that's priceless

>it's the reason why that determines that.

I'm not tottally disagreeing with that. As I said, it should never be in no one persons hands to do so. I apologize for any confusion or misconceptions.

>Killing a villain to prevent countless future deaths is immensely better than Luthor... or Joker... or whomever.

Once again it would seem I wasn't clear. I was speaking in context to a character who stands for something and a hero who had sworn an oath to never fight by the rules that created him.

In the real world Luthor and the Joker should be tried and convicted by jury. Now if some yahoo vigilante goes and offs either one of them it would probably slide, but then other vigilantes would say "Hey! They can do it, why can't I?" and over time you have people handing out what they feel is an appropriate death warrant.

Death as a punishment is not one persons choice. Death as a matter of defense can be.

As for Wonder Woman and Maxwell Lord's predicament, that was such a grandoise and unbelievably dangerous situation that there probably was no other choice.



> > Seriously, that's bleeding-heart claptrap. Each of us, as a part of
> > society, has the duty to take lives to protect lives.
>
> Quotes are fun!
> "Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity."

I agree, but no one is talking about peace. Anyone searching for peace is a fool.

> Sorry, had to be said. However, had you read what I wrote thoroughly,
> you'll note that I said that the choice should be no one persons
> choice, at least in the sense of passing judgement. If it's in self
> defense that's a different case alltogether...If there is no other
> option. If some guy has you pinned down and is going to kill you you
> could A) Kill him first or B) disable him in some way. Knee him in the
> balls punch him into unconciousness, whatever.

I did read what you wrote thoroughly. I'd extend it to the defense of others, as well as, self. And for all superheroes, there usually is no other viable option. This is especially true when villains routinely escape prison and/or are beyond being held by any prison.

> > Killing is not bad, in and of itself,
>
> lol that's priceless

It's also 100% objective truth.

> > it's the reason why that determines that.
>
> I'm not tottally disagreeing with that. As I said, it should never be in no one persons hands to do so. I apologize for any confusion or misconceptions.

No confusion at all. I disagree. I think it should always be in one persons hands. That is our duty.

> > Killing a villain to prevent countless future deaths is immensely
> > better than Luthor... or Joker... or whomever.
>
> Once again it would seem I wasn't clear. I was speaking in context to
> a character who stands for something and a hero who had sworn an oath
> to never fight by the rules that created him.

You were clear. And I vehemently disagree that standing for such a thing is inherently good. Standing for such a thing is irresponsible at best.

> In the real world Luthor and the Joker should be tried and convicted
> by jury. Now if some yahoo vigilante goes and offs either one of them
> it would probably slide, but then other vigilantes would say "Hey!
> They can do it, why can't I?" and over time you have people handing
> out what they feel is an appropriate death warrant.

When law enforcement cannot be counted on, that is their right.

> As for Wonder Woman and Maxwell Lord's predicament, that was such a
> grandoise and unbelievably dangerous situation that there probably was
> no other choice.

Indeed.
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