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Ed Love

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Seyg-El

Subj: Re: JLA 6 - the disappointments begin [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 09:20:18 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: JLA 6 - the disappointments begin [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 12:49:34 am EST

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> I had a nauseating suspicion that since it took five issues of build up to get to any potential for a good fight, that Meltzer wouldn't know what to do when he got there. And sure enough, JLA#6 was a huge disappointment. Y'know you'd think that with villains like Amazo and Solomon Grundy that the fight would be something awesome(Die Hardesque), but apparently the modern crop of writers just don't know how to choreograph worth a sweet god damn. I wonder if it ever occured to Meltzer that having a split battle with two major heavyweights in a SINGLE issue would produce nothing more than a let down for both(and the constant switching back and forth was annoying). Compensating for the lack of decent combat writing by throwing in alot of gore doesn't cut it either. And the lack of logic: I don't care how devastating 350 mph winds are, they wouldn't cut Grundy in two. So what if winds like that can snap trees, Grundy has gone toe-to-toe with Superman, I think he's alot more sturdy than the average tree(next Meltzer will try having us swallow the same move with Darkseid). Given the nature of the violence in this issue, I'm thinking that writers(Meltzer obviously) are preoccupied with the type of crap that Frank Miller did with Sin City. It doesn't have any place in JLA. The 'creative' team better start coming up with some quality battle sequences, as it is, I'm a hair away from dumping this title.

Hey, I really enjoyed this arc. Some thought it was too slow, but I liked the fact that it read a bit heavy on interaction, and less on action. You don't see it often, and as long as it is occasional, it works for me.

And how Red Tornado took care of Grundy worked for me. We know that Grundy's strength, durability, and intelligence varies greatly each time he dies and is resurrected. But we've seen Grundy get killed when he was exhibiting a high level of strength. Back in James Robinson's Starman series, Grundy died after a building he was holding up collapsed on him. So just because he may be in Superman's strength class at some point doesn't mean he's as durable. Plus, Grundy is more plant matter than anything (see Robinson's Starman, again), so yes...the tree analogy worked well here.

Again, I enjoyed it. If you didn't like it, drop the title. I'm sure you've got other things you can spend you're money on.

> > I had a nauseating suspicion that since it took five issues of build up to get to any potential for a good fight, that Meltzer wouldn't know what to do when he got there. And sure enough, JLA#6 was a huge disappointment. Y'know you'd think that with villains like Amazo and Solomon Grundy that the fight would be something awesome(Die Hardesque), but apparently the modern crop of writers just don't know how to choreograph worth a sweet god damn. I wonder if it ever occured to Meltzer that having a split battle with two major heavyweights in a SINGLE issue would produce nothing more than a let down for both(and the constant switching back and forth was annoying). Compensating for the lack of decent combat writing by throwing in alot of gore doesn't cut it either. And the lack of logic: I don't care how devastating 350 mph winds are, they wouldn't cut Grundy in two. So what if winds like that can snap trees, Grundy has gone toe-to-toe with Superman, I think he's alot more sturdy than the average tree(next Meltzer will try having us swallow the same move with Darkseid). Given the nature of the violence in this issue, I'm thinking that writers(Meltzer obviously) are preoccupied with the type of crap that Frank Miller did with Sin City. It doesn't have any place in JLA. The 'creative' team better start coming up with some quality battle sequences, as it is, I'm a hair away from dumping this title.
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> Hey, I really enjoyed this arc. Some thought it was too slow, but I liked the fact that it read a bit heavy on interaction, and less on action. You don't see it often, and as long as it is occasional, it works for me.
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> And how Red Tornado took care of Grundy worked for me. We know that Grundy's strength, durability, and intelligence varies greatly each time he dies and is resurrected. But we've seen Grundy get killed when he was exhibiting a high level of strength. Back in James Robinson's Starman series, Grundy died after a building he was holding up collapsed on him. So just because he may be in Superman's strength class at some point doesn't mean he's as durable. Plus, Grundy is more plant matter than anything (see Robinson's Starman, again), so yes...the tree analogy worked well here.
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My problem with the title wasn't with Grundy but with the Red Tornado himself. I just don't buy the basic premise of how he's portraying the Red Tornado from being a heavy clunky robot on down. At this point in his career, unless there have been massive retcons we haven't been in on, RT should know he's far more than a robot and is truly alive, just in a robot shell. The whole disembodied spirit thing just didn't work because it's been repeatedly shown that outside of the shell, he's the tornado champion/tyrant. As such he can actually create realistic illusions, if he hates his robotic body so much. So, I had trouble with the whole transporting his "spirit" into a vacant body and killing him there. He's an actual wind being, who knows if he can truly die, at least a physical death?

And the lateness between issues, have to admit I was reading this issue and for the life of me couldn't really remember exactly what it was that Grundy and Ivo were hoping to accomplish but then again, that didn't seem really relevant for the comic other than to give them an excuse for a big final fight. Did feel a bit sorry for the schizophrenic Amazo though.

Also wonder what it was about all that wasted story space about the big 3 going through to handpick a team which obviously isn't how it was going to pan out and wasn't all that interesting of expositional reading. More curious about Geo-Force subplot.

Not horrible, but I'm not really impressed either. JUSTICE reads a lot more interesting and exciting and it's obvious both writers are drawing on the same era as inspiration.

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