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sonofzeus

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Ironing Man

Subj: Re: JLA 6 - the disappointments begin [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:24:20 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: JLA 6 - the disappointments begin [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 04:17:26 pm EST

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> Ah, so you're one of those...

I can't take you seriously with a comment like this, it's ignorant and you've obviously already think your opinion is the right one with no room for something different. You don't know what you're talking about. Your awareness comes from a few fans of the book you may know or who may post on this board. Your ignorance is relating what you know about a few and labeling the whole damn group. And I called you ignorant when you were calling sin city fans mysoginists.

I want to say, "ah, so you're one of those who have an "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" philosophy. Don't be so close-minded.


>...who have an 'anything goes' philosophy. Sorry, but in a democratic society, it's hardly ignorant to be condemning of a form of entertainment(and those who consume it), that can be seen as damaging to society in general(ignorance implies the critic doesn't know what he's talking about). Are people who engage in(or view for fun) extreme fighting, dwarf-tossing, drag-racing, jackass movies, etc, etc above criticism? If they like it so much, then they should be able to defend their choice from those who don't.

Who wants to get in a debate with someone who's already made up their mind and obviously have no intention of truly listening to what other's have to say. I have no problem with you criticizing a piece of work, but don't criticize the people who like it. Are you saying my Sister, who works for law enforcement as a forensic sicientist, is a mysogynist for enjoying Sin City? My father, who is a self-made millionaire and a respected member of the city government, wrong for enjoying Sin City or for getting a chuckle out of Jackass. You know what you're getting with Sin City, don't see the movie or even talk about it if you hate it so much.

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> Which brings me to another point. Since you liked it so much, why didn't you say what was so redeeming about the film? Alot of people say they liked the movie but never say why. Was it the scene where Bruce Willis rips the pedophiles genitals off with his bare hands? Or where Jessica Alba gets a whipping, but looks as if she's enjoying it? Please elaborate.

I didn't want to get into a pointless debate with you. The fil was entertaining, I went in their to see a sexy, action movie and I got what I wanted. I wasn't expecting Shakespeare, its a movie called Sin City, I doubt the characters are going to sit around drinking tea, discussing politics.

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> How does this tie in to JLA? Did we really need to see Tornado's arm get ripped off? Kids do read comics you know. It seems to me that Meltzer wants to be the new Miller. In an adult comic that's fine. You'll forgive my 'ignorance' if I remain critical of something that's also meant to be enjoyed by children.
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Now I completely see what a lot of people are saying about the violence in comics. It doesn't bother me, but I see what people are getting agitated about. The violence could have been shown in shadows or off to the side. But the point of the violence is to show that Red Tornado got more than he bargained for when his dream of being human came true. His human body is fragile compared to his robot one.

Also, I think Meltzer is the farthest thing from Millar. Brad has written 2 scenes I'd deem noteworthy for violence, the IC rape scene and the recent RT scene. I think it's a little early to label Meltzer as anything.



Lastly, the whole tone of your post is what set me off. You're coming off as rude and pushy. It's obvious this upset you, but don't bring people into your critique of a story.

> Lastly, the whole tone of your post is what set me off. You're coming off as rude and pushy. It's obvious this upset you, but don't bring people into your critique of a story.

I'll admit to opinionated(cause that's the god's honest truth), but I don't believe it's rude to have strong opinions about entertainment, and the people who feed into it. A good message board should be about debate.

It would be more accurate to say that JLA 6 annoyed me(it never got as far as being upset). And this is why: instead of getting a well-choreographed fight scene, Meltzer gave us gore instead. He went for cheap shock value instead of quality combat, and he did it in a way that reminds me of Frank Miller(who I think is a closet sadist). By the by, if you do appreciate quality fight scenes, go to your local comic store and pick-up the back issue of Avengers Annual#10 - one of the best fight sequences ever.

As for Sin City, doesn't it strike you as curious that the film-makers went for explicit and gritty realism on almost every scene except one: the scene where Jessica Alba gets horse-whipped. In that scene she isn't bloodied, her clothes aren't torn to shreds, and she doesn't look the least bit distressed. Rather, she's sweaty, calm, and doesn't scream at all. They deliberately eroticized that scene. And that doesn't strike you as sexist?



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