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Subj: Re: JLA #10 questions! [SPOILERS]
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 11:39:16 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: JLA #10 questions! [SPOILERS]
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 08:24:12 pm EDT

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Also 2 questions

1) I thought it was barry allen but do they actually show him returning? I jsut thought so because i knew I'd seen those crisis shots before. I guess I'm asking how do we know they didnt' mess up and only bring back wally

2) Where was wally? I thought wally has still been around and hadn't gone anywhere. Where'd he return from?


> Kon-El you are so imformative and well versed in DC history. I love DC history so mcuh and it's such a shame that I enjoy marvel comics more the bulk of the time because I can't follow what's going on in DC.
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> > > Thanks very much for the answers, and most make good sense, but I have a few more questions...
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> > > > > 6. Why did Karate Kid need the shield? No JLA/JSA member was near him or knew where he was. If it was to protect him from the lightning, wouldn’t that circumvent the self-sacrifice aspect of the whole scenario?
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> > > > They didn't know he would be a Legionnaire without someone looking after him.
> > >
> > > I'm at a loss trying to parse this sentence. "They" who?
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> > They meaning the Legionnaires. The shield was meant to counteract anyone else that may be in the area. The Legionnaires didn't know that KK wouldn't have someone looking out for him, so they gave him a shield.
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> > > > > 7. How does bringing Wally back “save a universe” as Dreamgirl said?
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> > > > It isn't about bringing back Wally. Read it again. Wally was a "happy accident" that occurred. That even surprised brainy.
> > > >
> > > > The person that they brought back is Barry Allen...if you notice in the end.
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> > > How in the world can you tell that's Barry Allen? *eek*
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> > It makes sense within the plot and it would make sense that it was Barry Allen that they brought back. All the points that were mentioned in the story were all points that were specific to where Barry Allen appeared and disappeared during Crisis. I wish they drew those lines closer so people noticed it. Metzler can be blamed for making things a bit vague too.
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> > > > > 10. How did Jay get from Keystone City to Blue Valley (at least a few hundred miles) so fast? Isn’t his speed limited to the speed of sound now? I know Power Girl is now a full Kryptonian, but can even she fly from Tokyo to Nebraska, fully half way around the world, in the time it takes to say, “Tracking them right now.”
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> > > > The JLA does have teleporter that all they have to do is walk through a doorway (ala the Authority).
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> > > Yeah, but the panels actually show them running or flying to the spot, not teleporting.
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> > Blue Valley isn't that far from Keystone. We might be able to surmise that through a combination of teleportation and his speed, he was able to get there pretty fast. As for Power Girl, it has been shown that it is easier to fly straight up and straight back down than to fly across the world in a linear fashion, so that's probably what she did.
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> > > > > 16. Why didn’t a Legionnaire die as previously stated would be the case?
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> > > > Because they weren't sacrificing themselves to bring someone back. They knew that it might be a possibility, but the rods were used to "capture Barry Allen's essence."
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> > > Then why couldn't they have just explained this to the JLA/JSA to avoid conflict?
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> > We don't know. This goes with a caveat hinted about when Superman went to the fortress of solitude and mentioned his friends..."as he got older, they appeared less and less." The Legion, even in post-crisis, was very reluctant in mentioning things to Superman that would affect their future. This mission was meant to be pretty quick and painless, and things went fubar when someone brought out the Legionnaires worst fears or passions during their tenuous mental state.
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> > Something else to consider...why didn't they use a time bubble? Traditional LSH stories deal with the Legion traveling using time bubbles. What I'm thinking is that this Legion is from another parallel earth because their mode of transport is similar to a parallel earth travel (sort of a doorway/teleporter than a time bubble travel).
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> > I'm thinking this Legion does not want to interrupt or interfere with another Earth.
> >
> > - little kn-el

> Also 2 questions
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> 1) I thought it was barry allen but do they actually show him returning? I jsut thought so because i knew I'd seen those crisis shots before. I guess I'm asking how do we know they didnt' mess up and only bring back wally
>

They don't...but B5 does mention that they got what they wanted and they didn't want Wally. Barry makes the most sense. But it could be Bart or Max Mercury or Johnny Quick or anyone else in the speed force.

> 2) Where was wally? I thought wally has still been around and hadn't gone anywhere. Where'd he return from?
>

Wally wasn't necessarily around. He was mentioned by Bart that they had spent some time in a parallel world where the kids and Linda got older with Bart and they had a younger Jay Garrick and other speedsters.

Bart was the only one to make it back using Barry's suit, but when he gave the speedforce back into the universe (see the latest Flash issue) that probably allowed Wally and family to emerge back from the Speedforce.

I wonder if there will be other hiccups where people like Savitar or Johnny Quick or Max Mercury come back too.

- little kon-el
> > Kon-El you are so imformative and well versed in DC history. I love DC history so mcuh and it's such a shame that I enjoy marvel comics more the bulk of the time because I can't follow what's going on in DC.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Thanks very much for the answers, and most make good sense, but I have a few more questions...
> > > >
> > > > > > 6. Why did Karate Kid need the shield? No JLA/JSA member was near him or knew where he was. If it was to protect him from the lightning, wouldn’t that circumvent the self-sacrifice aspect of the whole scenario?
> > > > >
> > > > > They didn't know he would be a Legionnaire without someone looking after him.
> > > >
> > > > I'm at a loss trying to parse this sentence. "They" who?
> > > >
> > >
> > > They meaning the Legionnaires. The shield was meant to counteract anyone else that may be in the area. The Legionnaires didn't know that KK wouldn't have someone looking out for him, so they gave him a shield.
> > >
> > > > > > 7. How does bringing Wally back “save a universe” as Dreamgirl said?
> > > > >
> > > > > It isn't about bringing back Wally. Read it again. Wally was a "happy accident" that occurred. That even surprised brainy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The person that they brought back is Barry Allen...if you notice in the end.
> > > >
> > > > How in the world can you tell that's Barry Allen? *eek*
> > > >
> > >
> > > It makes sense within the plot and it would make sense that it was Barry Allen that they brought back. All the points that were mentioned in the story were all points that were specific to where Barry Allen appeared and disappeared during Crisis. I wish they drew those lines closer so people noticed it. Metzler can be blamed for making things a bit vague too.
> > >
> > > > > > 10. How did Jay get from Keystone City to Blue Valley (at least a few hundred miles) so fast? Isn’t his speed limited to the speed of sound now? I know Power Girl is now a full Kryptonian, but can even she fly from Tokyo to Nebraska, fully half way around the world, in the time it takes to say, “Tracking them right now.”
> > > > >
> > > > > The JLA does have teleporter that all they have to do is walk through a doorway (ala the Authority).
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, but the panels actually show them running or flying to the spot, not teleporting.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Blue Valley isn't that far from Keystone. We might be able to surmise that through a combination of teleportation and his speed, he was able to get there pretty fast. As for Power Girl, it has been shown that it is easier to fly straight up and straight back down than to fly across the world in a linear fashion, so that's probably what she did.
> > >
> > > > > > 16. Why didn’t a Legionnaire die as previously stated would be the case?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because they weren't sacrificing themselves to bring someone back. They knew that it might be a possibility, but the rods were used to "capture Barry Allen's essence."
> > > >
> > > > Then why couldn't they have just explained this to the JLA/JSA to avoid conflict?
> > > >
> > >
> > > We don't know. This goes with a caveat hinted about when Superman went to the fortress of solitude and mentioned his friends..."as he got older, they appeared less and less." The Legion, even in post-crisis, was very reluctant in mentioning things to Superman that would affect their future. This mission was meant to be pretty quick and painless, and things went fubar when someone brought out the Legionnaires worst fears or passions during their tenuous mental state.
> > >
> > > Something else to consider...why didn't they use a time bubble? Traditional LSH stories deal with the Legion traveling using time bubbles. What I'm thinking is that this Legion is from another parallel earth because their mode of transport is similar to a parallel earth travel (sort of a doorway/teleporter than a time bubble travel).
> > >
> > > I'm thinking this Legion does not want to interrupt or interfere with another Earth.
> > >
> > > - little kn-el


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