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zvelf

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little kon-el

Subj: Re: JLA #10 questions! [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 09:51:26 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: JLA #10 questions! [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 09:41:43 am EDT

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> > > I scoured every panel and I don't see Barry anywhere in that comic.
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> > Check it again. Remember the skeletal Flash that we see Batman and Green Lantern flashing back to? That's Barry Allen.
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> You're using a flashback as evidence Barry is back? Weird. OK. I guess you're just saying the writers must have Barry in mind if they showed us a Barry flashback.
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The Flash back and inside the rod. If you look at the very end, you can just make out a face in the lightning rod which kind of looks like a skeletal Flash or it could be a distorted reflection. I'm leaning more towards the Flash because all of the signs point to it.

As to which Flash, that leaves it up to debate. Even Mark Waid mentions in his latest interview that this might not be the last we see of Bart Allen (or at least implies that we will see him in some fashion again).

I hope we do see him again, if only because Tim Drake is losing friends left and right.

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> > > Oh wait - you're talking about the wand in Brainy's hand, right? I was interpreting that panel as metaphorical, but maybe it isn't. Maybe Barry is in the wand!
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> > Yeah...I'm thinking it's the wand. At the point where Barry is in at towards the end of his "run" in the original Crisis, he was living lightning. And the best thing to hold living lightning is a lightning rod. It seems pretty simple.
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> Is the Speedforce the same thing as lightning? I thought it was something more cosmic than that.
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The speed force seems to manifest itself as lightning. During Infinite Crisis, something went really really wrong with the Speedforce. My thought is that it is linked to parallel worlds in some way.


> Hmm. But lightning was involved in how Barry got his powers in the first place.
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> What exactly is the connection between the Speedforce and lightning?
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The way lightning seems to work, at least for Barry, is that it is called down and gives you a specific choice...sort of a "live fast but die young" sort of choice. We only see Barry Allen making that choice, so we aren't sure if Wally or the others had to make similar choices.

Whenever speedsters who use the speed force run, they gain access into the speed force, a cosmic Valhalla where all the speedsters go when they die. While running, speedsters are beckoned into the Speedforce and it takes strong emotional connections for this world for a speedster not to go into the next world, or the "speedster's afterlife." Only Wally has been ever to come back and forth from the Speedforce with any consistency.

If a speedster were to die without giving into the call of the Speedforce, the Black Flash is dispatched to take your soul into the Speedforce.

> And thank you, by the way, for your patient willingness to keep answering questions.
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No problem...but I'm sure there are more knowledgeable fans out there than me.

> > > By the way, which female Legionnaire do you think has stayed in the present with Karate Kid? Think it's Dream Girl?
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> > I don't think so. Why keep the character so much in the shadows? I think it might be someone else...another legionnaire that we didn't see...because why would you obscure it so much? Why would that be the mystery?
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> Yeah, the obscuring bit seemed weird.
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> > Check out the last issue of the Flash. Bart Allen had the Speed Force taken out of him and, through his efforts and the efforts of Iris and Val (his girlfriend) they were able to disperse the lightning.
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> This goes back to my question about the relationship between the Speedforce and lightning.
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The speed force seems to manifest itself in the lightning. Most speedsters remember "lightning storms" right before they get their speed.
> > Wally was in the Speedforce (presumably) along with other speedsters (presumably). So that's how he rode the lightning back to Earth. My feeling is that the Speedforce has something to do with parallel worlds...and this Legion is definitely not of this Earth (they're probably from the Kingdom Come Earth that Starman mentions), so that's why they're interested in Barry Allen (the one of the first "parallel-earth" traveler to do so under his own power).
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> So the Speedforce is so cosmic that it relates to parallel worlds - yet somehow it's connected to lightning. This would seem to imply that lightning, also, is connected to parallel worlds.
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> Hmm. And lightning is involved with the Shazam transformation.
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I think that lightning is just how it manifests itself. They've shown in Shazam and Flash that the wizard's lightning and the speedforce are two separate things. But it might make sense that lightning is the "delivery system" for quasi-magical power. It's one of the primordal forces of nature that isn't easily categorized by ancient man (it isn't hot like fire or runs like water or has any direction like animals...it's completely chaotic and at the whim of something else).


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> > > > > 12. Who is the shadowy figure who appears before Karate Kid near the end?
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> > > > We don't know. That's a mystery. I'm thinking that it might be another Legionnaire, but that's speculation.
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> > > It's Wildfire.
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> > I don't think so. He/She has long hair.
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> No - the question asked, "Who is the shadowy figure who appears before Karate Kid near the end?"
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> The word "before" means "in front of" in this context, I think. That would be Wildfire. The long-haired character wasn't in front of Karate Kid. She was beside him. Wildfire was in front of him, in the portal.
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> > If I think they're going with the whole "Great Disaster is Coming" storyline, then I would think that the long-haired person might be Kamandi, but that doesn't make much sense in the context of the story or as to why he's teaming up with KK.
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> Kamandi? Doubtful. But a fun idea. However - didn't that long-haired figure look feminine to you?
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So does Kamandi. It's all that long, blonde hair \:\-\) .

- little kon-el

Thanks for answering all the questions, kon.

I think kon is right. Why flashback to Barry if Barry has no function in the story. And I think there are two shadowy figures who join Karate Kid at the end, one male and one female, and neither of them are the Legionnaires that were with him before (it would make no sense to obscure them if that's who they were).



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